cherdano Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 [hv=d=w&v=n&s=skq2hkj64d54cakq2]133|100|Scoring: IMP(2♠)-3♦-(P)-?[/hv]Your partner's overcalls in this position are maybe slightly more aggressive than expert standard, but definitely not wildly so. Your plan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 3s...maybe I can blame partner by cueing now and win the all important postmortem later. :) If partner rebids 4D I will bid 4H rkc for D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 4N looks like enough to me. Glad I have had the sense to define this as quantitative. Assuming we're off the spade ace, to take 12 I will probably need solid diamonds from partner and the heart ace, over which he will bid slam himself after 4N. We may have another 4-4 fit in which case I will need less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 4N looks like enough to me. Glad I have had the sense to define this as quantitative. Good that you added the 2nd sentence. I was just about to ask you what you'd do if pard rebid 5♥ to show to 2 keycards :) Anyway, I would try 3♠. That might give pard a headache, but he'll probably get out of the tank with a 4♦ bid, after which I'll continue torturing him with 4♥ or 4♠ :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Good that you added the 2nd sentence. I was just about to ask you what you'd do if pard rebid 5♥ to show to 2 keycards :) When the poll specifies that 4N is quantitative, then it is quantitative. If the poll had not specified that I would not bid 4N (even though I think it should definitely be quantitative). It is not too hard for me to just accept whatever agreements I'm given by the OP and take it from there. I do not add or subtract agreements at will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 Oh, I didn't see it was quantitative. Actually, I hardly ever vote. I just type my answer :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted April 1, 2007 Report Share Posted April 1, 2007 4NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twcho Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 I will bid 4NT if it is quantitative but I doubt pd will understand it if not agreed upon. And I doubt whether 4NT shd be used as quantitative as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 I will bid 4NT if it is quantitative but I doubt pd will understand it if not agreed upon. And I doubt whether 4NT shd be used as quantitative as well. Can't see much other useful meaning for 4NT other than quantitative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 I will bid 4NT if it is quantitative but I doubt pd will understand it if not agreed upon. And I doubt whether 4NT shd be used as quantitative as well. Can't see much other useful meaning for 4NT other than quantitative. Completely agree.4NT should be quantitative here.If you wanted to BW, you'd just make a forcing raise first, then 4NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 4N seems right, but what exactly would you expect it to show in this sequence? 16-18? 17-19; 18-20? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 4N seems right, but what exactly would you expect it to show in this sequence? 16-18? 17-19; 18-20? 17-20ish.Depends on structure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 I'll join the "4NT quantitative" chorus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Me too, would have bid it without the poll choices too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 I see no reason to do anything other than create a forcing auction with 3♠ asking partner to further describe his hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 I see no reason to do anything other than create a forcing auction with 3♠ asking partner to further describe his hand. You'll probably get a 3 minute tank, followed by the descriptive 4♦ rebid. I think there's a consensus here for us to describe our hand to partner instead of v.v.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 Can't vote, because 4NT will be RKCB. Now I see this hand that I have never held, I sort of wish it could be 4NT quantitative. I am in the 3S camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted April 2, 2007 Report Share Posted April 2, 2007 I see no reason to do anything other than create a forcing auction with 3♠ asking partner to further describe his hand. You'll probably get a 3 minute tank, followed by the descriptive 4♦ rebid. I think there's a consensus here for us to describe our hand to partner instead of v.v.. Your partner's overcalls in this position are maybe slightly more aggressive than expert standard, but definitely not wildly so. Your plan? Phil, My concern is that since it is stated that partners overcalls can be slightly more aggressive that a 4N bid is going to handcuff him when he holds something like: x Qxx AKQJxxx xx For all I know, this may be an average or decent overcall for him (He may well overcall 3D on x Qxx AQJxxx xxx, I don't know) so he may accept the quantitative raise when he shouldn't. Partner should have no reason to go into the tank for 3 minutes, either they have a spade stop, or they have extras to show or they don't. x Qxx AKQJxxx xx they can bid 5D over 3S. x Qxx AQJxxx xxx they can bid 4D. Anything better they can show either with 3N (spade A) or cuebid 4H. (It must be a cue). But to each their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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