Allegro Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 I hold and open: S xH JD AKxxxC AJ98xx Opps pass 1D 1S2C 2H3C 3H3NT RHO X for a S lead. I go down 3 (vul.) Partner left midway thorugh the play. He held: S QJxxxH QxxxxD QxC Q If I don't bid 3NT, which was unwise, should I bid 3S? Should P have bid 3D instead of rebidding H? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 If you are going to ask about the auction, perhaps you should show the one you are asking about.... Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allegro Posted January 4, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 But I did.... 1D 1S2C 2H3C 3H3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 IMO Your partner wasn't strong enough to bid 2H, but should have given preference to 2D. Once he has forced to game and shown both major suits, I see little wrong with your 3NT. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 Sorry, don't know how I missed the actual auction. I plead huge hang over from New Year's Celebration. Ok, I like the 1C opening bid, and the major two suited hand has to respond 1H or 1S clearly. Opener has a clear 2C rebid. Now is where the problem comes in. If north had responded 1H, he would have no choice but to take a preference to 2D. After responding 1S, it looks like he might be able to bid 2H, but this should be 4th suit forcing, and with four queens, that is not the call you want to make. So again, 2D seems right, as eric suggest. Over 2H on your auction, I play that as fourth suit forcing. Unlike Eric, I don't play the none-reverse 4suit at the two level as game force, but after your correct 3C bid, over 3H, you have no choice but to bid 3NT. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irg20 Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 Possible auctions seem to be: 1C 1S2C p 1D 1S2C 2Dp (or if opener's pass is a bit timid then you might consider1D 1S2C 2D3C 3Dp) Another thing to consider is whether to respond 1H in preference to 1S. As this is a fairly minimum responding hand (i.e. you don't plan to bid above 2 of openers minor) bidding 1H should pick up 5-4 spade fits aswell as 5-3 (or better) heart fits whereas a 1S response will only pick up 5-3 (or better) spade fits when opener is minimum too. Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 the 2H bid is wrong imo, it's 4th suit (game)forcing. If he wants to show hearts, he should bid 3H right away, but that's too strong either. An alternative is to bid 2S on a 5 cards, but opener should normally pass that with only 1S, so I guess 2D should be the bid. I do like the 1D opening, so you can tell ur hand properly. My auction:1D - 1S2C - 2D3C - 3Dp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 the 2H bid is wrong imo, it's 4th suit (game)forcing. If he wants to show hearts, he should bid 3H right away, but that's too strong either. An alternative is to bid 2S on a 5 cards, but opener should normally pass that with only 1S, so I guess 2D should be the bid. I do like the 1D opening, so you can tell ur hand properly. My auction:1D - 1S2C - 2D3C - 3DpAlmost agree, I think 2 sp rebid with that hand is only bid. Since 2 H is 100% forcing and almost always GF. And after my pd's 3 Cl rebid now y bid 3 D and to show only 2 of them. Law of symmetry strikes again 8) Mike ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irdoz Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 I've met this problem auction for 4th suit forcing (1d-1s-2c-2h) 3 or 4 times when I've had a weak hand with 5/5 in the majors. I've done what trptrbl suggests with this sort of hand - rebid spades because 2h would be 4SF. However, twice partner has had a hand shape of 1-3-5-4 and 2h was our best spot. There's an interesting discussion of 'etm gadget' at http://www.bridgematters.com/gadget.htm which suggests a method when an auction without interference has gone: 1m-1M-2m or 2om (not a reverse), then the bid of the next cheapest bid be a relay either for a weak sign off in a major or for game forcing hands. So using this method 1d-1s-2c-2h can be a weak signoff in spades or a GF hand... but it still won't help a lot with this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishovnbg Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Hi Allegro! For such hands many years ago was invented special jump response of 2http://mnet.bg/~mfn/h.gif: 5+http://mnet.bg/~mfn/h.gif-4+http://mnet.bg/~mfn/s.gif, not inv for game. This is same for any jump 2 bid. The example:1http://mnet.bg/~mfn/d.gif-2http://mnet.bg/~mfn/h.gif3http://mnet.bg/~mfn/c.gif-3http://mnet.bg/~mfn/d.gifPass Misho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 Yeah, some sort of Flannery. I played something similar to it.2http://mnet.bg/~mfn/d.gif showing 5http://mnet.bg/~mfn/h.gif and 4http://mnet.bg/~mfn/s.gif and also 2http://mnet.bg/~mfn/h.gif as 5-5 in majors, both showing about 4-7 HCP, mostly concentrated in both majors. Works well, will start playing it again. Thx to Misho :D Mike ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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