ochinko Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 Once more, just in case, as it is my first poll: You are dealer at IMP, unfavorable vulnerability, and your hand is[hv=d=s&v=n&s=shjdk106cakq1097532]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 5C is really tempting at these colors... could miss a grand though... whatever 5C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 5♣; I don't see an alternative with only one major card. In second seat I may choose 1♣. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 1C, 5C is ok, but on the other hand,I can still bid it, and if they will alwayssac. is not sure. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 5♣, but only at these colors with a hand this good. At equal or green, I'll go 1♣ followed by something dramatic; like 5♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 I'll buy 5♣ at this vul. I'm probably still too good but whatever, it must be right in the long run. If I DO open 1♣, and if the opponents miraculously stay silent, I think there is definitely a correct way to bid hands like this. Reverse into 2♦, then jump in clubs at your third turn. (Like 1♣ 1♠, 2♦ 2♠, 4♣). This makes clubs trumps but tells partner where his secondary honors will be useful, and with luck might give me an opportunity to cuebid my void next on some auctions to tell the whole story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 yeah 5♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 5♣ for sure... if you opened 1♣ only with your hand it wouldnt be surprising at all if it went 1♣-4♣(michaels) and the opps finding a cheap major sac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 5C or a gambling 3N if i feel lucky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Another 5C opener at red. If LHO overcalls 5 major and partner passes, tell me you won't be tempted to bid again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 This is a good hand for a "Preempts from A to Z" 4NT opener, showing a good 5m opening. Unfortunately I prefer to use 4NT to show the minors. I am at unfavourable so I think I might just open 5♣. At any other vulnerability I would not. 3NT and 2♣ are terrible choices. 3NT is an understatement by quite much and 2♣ overstates my defense by just as much. A 2♣ opener promises partner that opponents can NOT make any slam. 2nd choice 1♣.3rd choice 6♣ (because of vulnerability it is too much a gamble). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 I'm not too worried about 3NT being an understatement as I can always bid 5♣ if partner signs off in 4♣. But if I'm going to bid 5♣ anyway (which I probably am) I might as well open 5♣. 3NT or 6♣ are acceptable alternatives, nonvulnerable I'd probably open 6♣. A 1♣ showing just 3 is (litterally) meaningless IMHO. I might consider 2♣ playing Precision, though. A strong artificial 2♣ is a bad joke. I'd rather open 1NT then, that's at least a good joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Hi, while I can understand 5C, let me just ask one question to the 5C bidders: How certain is it, that you will go plus bidding 5C, I would say at best 50:50, i.e. do you really want to commit to a minus score, before you know anything at all? If they sac., they may steal you 300,but at least you are a heavy favourite to go plus. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhais Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 :) i will open 1c this will safeguard from missing slam if pd has some values 5c opening will be like prempt less than 12 & c suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 This is a bothersome hand. I would open it 2♦ where allowed as part of my multi-2♦ complex that includes as an option, an Acol minor one suiter with 9.5 to 10 tricks. Technically I am one control short for this bid, but so what. Not playing multi, I would bite the bullet and make an unsatisfying 5♣ opening bid.... but here, nothing is really satisfying, not even multi 2♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Hi, while I can understand 5C, let me just ask one question to the 5C bidders: How certain is it, that you will go plus bidding 5C, I would say at best 50:50, i.e. do you really want to commit to a minus score, before you know anything at all? If they sac., they may steal you 300,but at least you are a heavy favourite to go plus. With kind regardsMarlowe I am sure most people here are hoping that the opps don't bid over 5♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 And most pd will know your hand quite precisly, so they will know what to do after 5 M from opps. So this will surely win in much more then 50 % of all cases. Your pd does not win many usefull information from f.e.1 ♣ (2 ♠) X (4♠)5 ♣But the opps are much better placed compared to a 5 ♣ opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepman Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Anyone for a "trap pass"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Anyone for a "trap pass"? sheeeeepman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Anyone for a "trap pass"? No. If I pass and then bid 5♣, partner will take it as fit-showing for whatever major he has bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTired Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Never 3N because it is too likely that partner is void in clubs.You have half a trick on defense and opps could easily have a slam, so opening 1C is out. Of course, 2C is out, because if the opps bid 4/5 of a major and our partner doubles we will be lost. So we must tell partner right away that we have a zillion clubs. 3C is obviously too little. If partner has as little as ♦QJ, 5C is cold, so 5C seems right. If we open 5C and the opps bids 5M, we will pass and let partner decide. But if we open 5C and one of the opps bids 6C, will we hate ourselves? 6C seems too risky at this vulnerability. Let's let the opps make a decision at the 5-level, so 5C is it. For the trap passers: LHO opens 1H and RHO bids J2N. Now are you happy you trap passed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 To be fair, the only trap passer is the Sheep. As it is, I'll bid 6C over their Jacoby 2NT. The 6 level belongs to the opponents(I open this 5C by the way, but only at unfavourable) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Why are some people averse to a pretty obvious 5♣ bid? I mean.. it's closer to 6 than to 1 B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Why are some people averse to a pretty obvious 5♣ bid? I mean.. it's closer to 6 than to 1 B) "it is closer to 6♣ than 1♣" is why people are adverse to 5♣. I doubt any of the 1♣ bidders plan on stopping short of game (either forced on them or not). But if you open 5♣ your partner will, ahem, not think it will usually be this good. So 5♣ might well end the auction when 6♣ (or more) is cold. This is why some are not wild about the 5♣ choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 31, 2007 Report Share Posted March 31, 2007 Ben: exactly how do you expect to be able to find the key cards for 6♣ in pard after opening 1♣? I find that extremely difficult unless pard makes a 2♦ strong jump shift :) In fact, it's so difficult it doesn't pay for the preemptive effect of 5♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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