DWM Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=skqjtxxhaqjxxxdca]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] You are lucky enough to deal yourself this monster. What is your bidding plan playing a natural 2/1 system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Open 1♠, rebid 6♥. Alternatively, open 2♣ and follow the same plan as above. A bit unilateral, but it's very difficult to find out whether pard has the keycards, so one can simply play the odds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Open 1♠ and make a forcing rebid in Hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Open 2♣, then 2♠, then 3♥. If partner signs off in 4♥ I pass, if he prefers spades or cues a minor suit I'll start looking for slam. Alternatively, open 6♠. Opening 1♠ is not my style, although I know that many (probably most) good players would do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Too bad you don't have an asking bid structure: partner do you have a top H; do you have SA? Yes,Yes= pick grand. Yes,no= pick 6M. No,no= pick 4M.Our 1C would ask H top, then cues SA/not. We know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Oh boy... playing standard 2/1, I guess I would open 2♣ --- yes, yes, I know the rule about not opening 2♣ with a strong two suiter, but I can't see any other way out of this pickle. Heck, if I open 1M partner might make a weak jump shift in a minor (or the oppenents might) and I will have a hell of a time getting this hand off my chest... 1S - (bid) - (bid) -(bid)6H Does not solve the problem, as partner with the spade ACE or Heart King might think that is enough, especially if he also has something like D-A too. --------------------------------- Now if it wasn't standard 2/1 and I was allowed to use MisIry, I would open 2NT and rebid 5♥ to show a major two suiter with "two losers" and no need for a cover card in clubs. Over 5♥, partner can pass, correct to 5♠, 6♠, 6♥, 7♥ or 7♠ . With a fit and diamond ACE he will probably bid slam and you will need the heart hook (plus an entry to dummy, which will have to be a spade ruff). If partner DOES NOT BID grand, but bids any investigatory bid (asking if DA or DK is useful or if you are missing a major suit queen), with this hand you would signoff... AFter all, if partner had both major honors he would have bid the GRAND over 5♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 I would open 1S as well, if I open 2C the auction could time out very poorly for me and won't really help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 I've had a hand like this already and I opened 1x. I do it again. 1♠ it is then. 1♠ bid bid bid 5♥. Partner should raise me a level for every major suit honor. If 5♥ at this point is not a jump it is trickier of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 A minority vote here. I would open 1♥ (no, I don't fear that it will go all pass). Since the 5-level is safe, the advantage of opening 1♥ rather than 1♠ is that ♥K will be a key card later when I, hopefully, get a chance to make an exclusion 5♦ bid. I play 1430 but 0314 when using exclusion, so I can stand any response over 5♦. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Playing rdk's favourite structure -3NT specific A ask, followed by 4NT specific King ask. What! You still play the gambling 3NT????! Well you'd better change then, hadn't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 I play 4 NT specific ace asking and I had this opening three times in my life. Each time opps came in with their suit and "smashed" the structure.Without this tool, I would open 2 Club. There is an overall strength,where I would even open a two suiter with 2 Club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Ben; thanks for not putting an unpaid ad in for Misiry B) I'd open it 1♠ and JS to 3♥. I'll cue bid my way to slam if necessary. If I exclusion at some point with 5♦, I'm probably committing the hand to slam anyway, so I don't like Roland's approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 If I exclusion at some point with 5♦, I'm probably committing the hand to slam anyway, so I don't like Roland's approach. I'm lost. Do you think I will proceed beyond 5♥ (no ♠A and no ♥K) if that is the response I get? I did set hearts, remember. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Ben; thanks for not putting an unpaid ad in for Misiry B) Your welcome, sort of... cause as you see I did mention MisIry. On the otherhand, I did start off with what I would do playing standard 2/1 (unlike those with other gimmicks like 3NT askign for specific ACES). I'd open it 1♠ and JS to 3♥. I'll cue bid my way to slam if necessary. All well and good, but what if partner bids 3♦ over 1♠. Now 3♥ is not a jumpshift. Fear one is 1♠ all pass. Fear two is the auction doesn't allow you to show the true quality of your monster. I guess in competitive auctions it will be back to 1 then 6. And if parnter does show diamonds that removes exclusion anyway, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 I've had a hand like this already and I opened 1x. I do it again. 1♠ it is then. 1♠ bid bid bid 5♥. Partner should raise me a level for every major suit honor. If 5♥ at this point is not a jump it is trickier of course. Hmm. 1S (2C) 2D (3C) 5H. Isn't this exclusion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Playing rdk's favourite structure -3NT specific A ask, followed by 4NT specific King ask. What! You still play the gambling 3NT????! Well you'd better change then, hadn't you? Too primitive. I'd open 4♠, specific kickback for hearts B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Hi, one option: open 1S, jump to 3H (pf)and bid 5D, partner will get the message. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilgan Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Hrmm... MP at unfavorable I'm going to be very tempted to just open 6 spades, to prevent the opps from finding out that they might have a good save in the minors. Going to be hard to bid the hand scientifically, and nothing sucks more than having a beautiful auction.. confirming you should be in 6 spades, and then the opps save at 7 of a minor. At imps or at equal/favorable vuln, I'll start with 1H, planning to reverse into spades. It gives me more time to describe strength/shape (no need to leap to 3 level). Also, if partner bids hearts at any point I can leap to 5♦ for exclusion. I do play 1430 over exclusion, but if partner has 0.. I'm okay with being in spades :P This hand does make me think that perhaps 3014 over exclusion might be worth considering tho. If 1♥ is passed out, I'll want to cry.. but RHO should have a 5 card minor and therefore have an easy balance. Also if RHO balances with 1NT, I'll feel really good about the HK being onside for 6 spades assuming I can ever hit his hand :P Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 What! You still play the gambling 3NT????! Well you'd better change then, hadn't you? What do you suggest we do with the gambling hand then? (Note: I'm not willing to let go any nat pree :P) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 If I exclusion at some point with 5♦, I'm probably committing the hand to slam anyway, so I don't like Roland's approach. I'm lost. Do you think I will proceed beyond 5♥ (no ♠A and no ♥K) if that is the response I get? I did set hearts, remember. Roland Roland: How do you plan to 'set' hearts as trump if pard never raises? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 1♠ for me, but I suspect that was predictable. I am far too simple a soul to adopt Roland's plan: besides, I have never played a method in which a 1♥ opening set trump! 1♠ followed by sufficently forcing noises in ♥s, provided I have room. For those planning to open 2♣ and then describe their hand, please let me have the names and contact info for the favourable vulnerable opps who, when you are missing 25 minor suit cards, promise never to preempt! One of the advantages of playing a natural system, compared to a big club method, is on freak hands. Normally, on strong hands, big club methods have a significant advantage, but on freaks the converse is true, because big club hands (and strong 2♣ hands) invite heavy favourable preempting, and deprive complex hands of the needed bidding space. A natural bid of 1♠ positions us very well. And please don't tell me 1♠ is being passed out.... that isn't happening in the real universe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 Playing rdk's favourite structure -3NT specific A ask, followed by 4NT specific King ask. What! You still play the gambling 3NT????! Well you'd better change then, hadn't you? Too primitive. I'd open 4♠, specific kickback for hearts :P roflmao. Love it, Helene.Whereagles, I don't know about you, but every time I open a gambling 3NT I seem to get a bad result. It doesn't arise that often anyway. Mind you 3NT as a specific Ace ask doesn't either..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 To Phil and Mike: In an uncontested auction the chance of getting preference or support for ♠/♥ is fifty-fifty. However, I have a slight advantage if I pretend that I have longer hearts (♥, ♠, ♠). Now, if I get the heart preference I am hoping for, I am better positioned with exclusion because ♥K is a key card. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWM Posted March 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 [hv=n=sxxhxxxdkqxxxckqx&s=skqjtxxhaqtxxxdca]133|200|[/hv] At the table it went 1S 1NT4H 4NT5S Down 1 with KJx ♥ being behind the strong hand. We use a second negative to deny more than one trick after a 2♣ opener so the bidding after 2C would be 2C 2D2S 3D??? The 2D being more of a waiting bid and 3D showing Diamonds and 1.5+ tricks. Any sensible way of keeping at the 4 level now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmunte1 Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 1. I'm 100% percent for 1♠. 2. Where dissapeared my Jack of hearts?3. Why 4♥? Do i have another forcing bid after 1NT (3♥ or 2nt GF or 2♣ playing Gazilli)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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