Gerben42 Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Okay so the next tourney I managed to return the favour by making a partner torture bid myself. Let's see it from my partner's side: [hv=d=w&v=n&s=saq73hqj96d6542ca]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Partner opens 1NT in second seat and you bid Stayman 2♣. LHO overcalls 3♣ now, partner bids 3♦ and LHO doubles, selfalerting as penalty. Recapping: Pass 1NT Pass 2♣3♣ 3♦ Dbl What's going on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Pard couldn't bid 2♦ over LHO's bid, so he bids THREE diams :) Bid 4♦ now and pass the ball.. let pard figure out you're trying the moysian major game... LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Seems to me partner's 3♦ should show a maximum opening bid with a 5-card diamond suit. This is not necessarily what partner actually has of course -- partner may think he is showing both majors, or that 3♦ is just the "I don't have a major" response to stayman. In any case, it seems like my best call is to pass. If partner has real diamonds I expect a good score from 3♦X. If not, partner is not likely to pass it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Maybe partner is planing a self-SOS XX to show both majors? Seems like a silly plan, but I don't see how it can cost to pass 3♦X and see what happens. If he redoubles, I will return the favour with 4♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 In any case, it seems like my best call is to pass. If partner has real diamonds I expect a good score from 3♦X. If not, partner is not likely to pass it out. Really? Afraid to redouble? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 If he redoubles, I will return the favour with 4♣. If I mistakenly pass the first time around, I will sit for the XX. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 The problem with redouble, is that partner could easily interpret it as either of: "Even though your bid showed diamonds, I am short there, please pick a major or bid 3NT." "Even though your bid didn't show diamonds, I in fact have diamonds, let's play here." Taking the action of redoubling should suggest some action by partner, probably the opposite action of the "normal" one (in other words, if his bid was natural, redouble should suggest removing it; if his bid was artificial, redouble should suggest leaving it in). Since we don't know whether partner's bid showed diamonds and we want partner to take the "normal" action of leaving it in with diamonds and removing without diamonds, I think pass is superior to redouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Bid_em_up, I agree, with my regular partner I would XX 3♦ and expect to be in a 9 or 10-card fit. In a thread named "Partner torturing" I will play it safe and pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 Bid_em_up, I agree, with my regular partner I would XX 3♦ and expect to be in a 9 or 10-card fit. In a thread named "Partner torturing" I will play it safe and pass. His problem, not mine. I bid my hand. :) Adam, Same thing. You have no reason to assume that partner is making an "off-the-wall" bid here. Whenever I encounter something like this, I prefer to assume that is the opponents who do not know what they are doing (or are jerking us around), and especially if I think partner is competent. His bid meant "I have diamonds". XX means, you're gonna wish you hadn't doubled. Heck, I am about investigate 6D over the 3D call. Does 3D x'd score more than 6D? You must XX to force RHO's run to 4C. And I do not agree that XX in this position suggests removing the double, ever. This is not an SOS position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 I hate it when partner make bids like this. COuldn't I have a 0 count with both majors here? Anyway, I'm going to XX this one, and see what happens. If this goes for a million, it's partner's fault for making undiscussed bids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted March 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 COuldn't I have a 0 count with both majors here? Yes, you could. Since we have a bunch of passers, read in hidden what happens next if you pass. Passed around to partner who redoubles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 27, 2007 Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 I pass, what else? If partner has his bid then I will get more from 3D X than defending 4C X since LHO has bid 3C with nothing but a weak hand and long clubs and a diamond void. After the hidden text I bid 4D to make sure partner plays the hand in a major (so no diamond lead through) and then I would not make a slam try and just pass his 4M bid (again because I'm worried about diamonds when Xed on my right). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted March 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 I was the partner, of course. If I had opened 1NT on a 6-card ♦ I would not have bid it with no hint of either a fit or combined majority of strength. Since 1NT P 2♣ 3♣ is not agreed (and similar situations are penalty so I think it would have showed a ♣ stack) I bid 3♦ with both majors. Partner didn't "get it" and we scored -1000 :) That's the danger of a too creative bid, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Actually, you have to thank RHO for his dbl, which basically said "I dunno what opener has, but it sure ain't diamonds". E.g. pard scored zero in table presence :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Pass is clear imo, partner can make it clear now what he holds. After the RDbl it's clear he doesn't have ♦ so you can't pass that... If p would've had ♦ he'd pass for sure and collect the game bonus. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Free 3D must show 'Ilike this auction' I expect partner has advance cued a D-control for just this hand I have. Cue 4C to show C-control. Can partner SKJxx HAKxx DAx Cxxx?? How would he progress this hand? Great fitting for Majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 I don´t undestand the XX at all. If he had bid 3 Heart after the double, this had been a clear message or what should 3 Diamond followed by 3 Heart be if not both majors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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