Apollo81 Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 AQJxxxxxxx---Kxx--- MPs, 1st seat fav What's your plan for this one? Please dont answer "I open 4d which is convention W which shows blah blah blah" I actually held this at the table and was playing with a first time expert partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 I open 6♠. Presume I don't need much of a plan after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 6S for me too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temp3600 Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 5♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcLight Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 6♠ seems like it has around a 50% chance.I assume that makes it the par bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 It's 1 or 6: count me in for 1♠. The opps are not playing this hand... at least, not undoubled and not at anything below the 5 level and not necessarily then either, but let's see what happens... and if anyone suggests that I am resting in 1♠.......I sort of doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillHiggin Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 With the master suit (and a hand that is clearly outside of our agreements), I might well start with PASS. I may have a reasonable idea of where the hand is going next time around (and clearly am gambling that the opps will not have exchanged too much information). When I do enter the auction (at a high level), the opps will be sure that something wierd is happening, but they will be as unsure as my "first time expert" partner as to exactly what it is. I do not engage in frequent tactical exploits, but this is a hand that rates to have everyone else guessing, and I have had good success with trusting my late auction judgement on freak hands. The worst that can happen is a bottom. This partnership could die in birth :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 AQJxxxxxxx---Kxx--- MPs, 1st seat fav What's your plan for this one? Please dont answer "I open 4d which is convention W which shows blah blah blah" I actually held this at the table and was playing with a first time expert partner. Given the set up, ty, I pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 I've been playing bridge for 27 years and I've held one 10 card suit in my life, and it wasn't this good. 6♠. No method for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 One thing is for certain, if I pass now, it is not going all pass. 6S is a shot in the dark, that is unlikely to work out well. You have the boss suit, you can outbid them later. Or you may decide that defending 6 of their suit is better with partner holding stacks in both round suits. They may even play 5 diamonds where you can beat it with an opening ruff. I may be willing to bid 6S later, but I want to hear whats going on first. I pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Definitely 1 or 6. With hearts I would certainly bid 6. With spades I'll try 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 I don't care who or how many people answered it, I can not even take a 6♠ opening seriously. Opening 1 might let you learn something that lets you realize 6 isn't good (lho overcalls diamonds) or that 7 is good (partner at some point bids diamonds) and in any case nothing will stop you from bidding 6 later. Sometimes people say a slow approach will let the opponents find a save, but on the 7 level, favorable, and at mps, this seems like an impossibility to me. And even if they did who is to say 6♠ was making! And isn't there any worry at all partner will raise with the king of spades? Or that plus heart ace? Or that plus club ace? Is partner just not allowed to raise a 6 level opening bid ever?? I could see not raising with the spade king and out since the 6 opener could be taking a little chance (like with AKJx on the side say) but with the spade king and some fillers it seems automatic to me. To me opening this 6 is almost an insult to ones self, like saying I have so little confidence in my ability to try and find out what I need to know that I will turn the hand into a giant roulette spin and pray. Not for me. People who have talked to me a lot before won't be surprised, most know that my all time favorite hand was a 7-6 freak where I was able to find a good grand with a slow approach. I still truly believe that as dealer, with freak hands that aren't quite weak, going slow can pay off huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 I don't care who or how many people answered it, I can not even take a 6♠ opening seriously. dude how much money have I won off of you in poker? I rest my case :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 I don't care who or how many people answered it, I can not even take a 6♠ opening seriously. dude how much money have I won off of you in poker? I rest my case :) Very little, I am pretty cheap. Besides you just never fold to me so if I ever got a hand you would be toast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 I fear partner raising a 6S opener to 7 with the Spade King.Certainly with Spade King, Heart Ace and Club Ace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 I´ll go with the 1 Spade bidders. Where is the reasoning in passing?In which case are you better placed then after an opening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 6♠ wtp. Especially at matchpoints where the overtrick I get from the blind lead may make all the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyloser Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 6 s is very tempting and i think most of us would bid it at the table. however there is little need to preempt since we have the s suit, opps are vulnerable and noone knows who can make what.6 s has an advantage because opps do not know what to lead. the disadvantages are clear, we cannot make any decision based on facts. since i have an expert partner who is not going to run away with the hand i have a suggestion: i open 1 d! this will surely not end the auction, p may show support or some other suit and opps are very unlikely to open my first bid suit. the more i think about it, the more i like 1d! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 What's you plan after 1♦? Just blasting 6♠? Maybe p will correct 6♠ to 7♦, thinking you're 6-7 or 5-8. Or maybe opps will smell the tactical bid and lead a diamond. You could also open 1♥ and then rebid 6♠. Then LHO will think 1♥ was a lead-inhibiting psyche and lead a heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 5♠ for me. I'm aggressive but 6♠ rates not to make and I don't see why opps should be making 6-something. So 5♠ is the optimal bid for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 I´ll go with the 1 Spade bidders. Where is the reasoning in passing?In which case are you better placed then after an opening? Playing with a pickup partner, if we pass rather than 1s, and bid later they may expect wild shape and less defense. Too much offense for 4s opening, not enough defensive for one spade opening? OTOH if your pickup partners expect little or no defense for your opening one bids, then feel free. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 1S looks to me like the option I want , I think I can bid more later. As for opening 1D, I suggest those who gave this the slightest consideration should reduce their alcohol intake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmunte1 Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 I'll open 1♠. If opps overcall and partner passes, i plan to bid as low as possible spades for the second time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted March 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 At the table I was torn between a few things. I could open 4♠ planning to rebid spades later. Since it's favorable this auction might actually convince the opps I am sacrificing. I could also open 1♠ or pass to give everyone room to tell me what's going on this hand. I was playing against saavy opps who might smell a rat so I decided to go slowly. I chose pass over 1♠ since it gives everyone the most room to describe their hands. Blasting 6♠ as my opening bid was never really an option. I passed and it went (1♣)-2♦-(2♥) back to me. It probably would have been the same (forcing 2♥) but without the 2♦ call from pard if I had opened 1♠. Now I decided I had enough information and bid 6♠. LHO with x Ax Qx AQxxxxxx decided I was making and bid 7♣. Pard had x xxx J10xxxx K10x and RHO had K KQJ10xxx Ax Jx. Lucky for me, 6♠ can't make on a non-♦ lead so I got most of the MPs for +500 against 7♣x. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Comment 1: You have a great Spade Suit. From what I can tell, you can pick up the King of Spades and make 10 Spade tricks something like 62% of the time. Either Partner has the King of Spades orPartner has the Ace of Diamonds and a Spade and the hook is on orPartner doesn't have a Diamond entry and the hook is off In addition, even if you "only" have 9 Spade tricks, there is still a very good chance that partner will contribute the Ace or the Queen of Diamonds. From what I can tell, your chance of making 10+ tricks is over 85% Comment 2: Your chance of making a slam is incredibly dependent on partner's Diamond holding. You either need to be able to play the Diamond suit for 1 loser OR find partner with an entry and a side ace. The chance that partner has the Ace of Diamonds is 33%The chance that partner has the King of Spades and a side Ace is 18%The chance that partner doesn't have the Ace of Diamonds or the (King of Spades + a side Ace) but does have the QJ of Diamonds is 6.3% In addition, there's still all the weird stuff that can't really be simulated. (Partner has the Ace of Clubs and NO entry to dummy, but the opponents lead a club from the get go) I didn't bother to tune the dealer script to consider all the cross effects between the ability to pick up the Spade suit and Diamond losers. (this is obviously significant). However, from what I can tell, the odds that we make slam are acceptable. Moreover, on the hands where we don't have slam, we'll still often have an acceptable sacrifice. Mark me down firmly in the 6♠ camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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