Every day hand

[Guest Jlall]

Jxx Jxx xx ATxxx

 

1C on left, X from pard, pass on right. red/red imps.

 

Would your answer change if your hand was xx Jxx Jxx ATxxx?

[mike777]

1)1nt not 1h.

2) no

[kenrexford]

Herbert Negative! B)

[mhais]

1nt

[paulg]

1♥ with the first hand, 1♦ with the second.

 

I'd prefer to have a bit more for 1NT. If partner is strong then I hope to bid notrump later.

 

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[Joe de Balliol]

1) Undecided

2) Yes; I bid 1♦ B)

[Halo]

1NT

[helene_t]

I hope partnership agreements allow me to bid 1NT with a hand this weak. Otherwise I really don't know. 1♠, 1♥, 1NT or pass.

[david_c]

Hmm, I think if I'd taken the trouble to discuss this with partner, I would have agreed that 1NT shows a slightly stronger hand than this. (This only applies over a minor-suit opening: over a major I think 6 HCP is fine.) But without discussion, I would go ahead and bid 1NT anyway. The order of the other suits doesn't really matter.

[Winstonm]

Redouble - I think they can make it. :)

 

1H. Can't freely bid 1N this weak, IMO.

 

Would bid 1D with #2 example.

[han]

Depends on partnership agreements. I would bid 1H on the first and 1D on the second.

[pclayton]

1♥ / 1♦. Clubs aren't good enough to convert and this hand is about a Q light for a 1N call.

[mikeh]

1♥ with both.

 

The argument for 1♦ on the second is, I assume, that partnr is less likley to get carried away than if we bid 1♥... and perhaps the bid of the cheapest call carries a little more ambiguity. However, I am not playing scared bridge with either hand... I am not broke... and partner will be 4=4=3=2 far more often than he will be 4=3=4=2. I don't mind 4-3 fits, but I hate breaking Burns' Law of Total Trump: playing in a contract where the opps hold more trumps than we do. 1♦, on hand 2, is more likley to offend that rule than is 1♥

[han]

Nice point Mike, you convinced me (but I'm well known to be gullible).

[Fluffy]

1♥+1♦

 

I don't see why partner has more chances to have a major than diamonds

[Winstonm]

1♥ with both.

 

The argument for 1♦ on the second is, I assume, that partnr is less likley to get carried away than if we bid 1♥... and perhaps the bid of the cheapest call carries a little more ambiguity. However, I am not playing scared bridge with either hand... I am not broke... and partner will be 4=4=3=2 far more often than he will be 4=3=4=2. I don't mind 4-3 fits, but I hate breaking Burns' Law of Total Trump: playing in a contract where the opps hold more trumps than we do. 1♦, on hand 2, is more likley to offend that rule than is 1♥

Isn't this a little pessimistic? Partner could also be 3451 or 4450 as well as 4441.

 

In the case of 4432, 1D in the 3/3 rates to play as well as 3H in the Moysian.

The other case for 1D is if partner continues with a single-suit bid of 1H or 1S, I can then make a double raise as an expression of my medium values.

[dake50]

1N hoping this isn't a hand partner gets hot on.

Some stuff no Major liking C-stopped.

[whereagles]

There's nothing wrong with a lightish 1NT. If pard is strong, he'll bid 2M now and we get to game. Where's the problem?

[Winstonm]

There's nothing wrong with a lightish 1NT. If pard is strong, he'll bid 2M now and we get to game. Where's the problem?

Holding, K109x, AQxx, AKJx, x why would partner do anything other than bid 3N over 1N? What is the point of a cue bid over 1N?

 

The problem as I see it is many people want to have their cake and some icing on it, too, i.e., they want to bid 1N with 8-10 in this sequence but they also want to bid it with 5-6 when they don't like any other bid. IMO, if the agreement is that 1N in this sequence show "values", usually around 8-9, then with less "value" you have to bid something else - but you can't bid 1N as that meaning is "assigned".

[mike777]

If this is the worst 3nt I am ever in at imps..thank God. :) If you are that worried, assuming 1nt is 8-10 for you just bid 2nt invite with this minimum 4441 hand which will play poorly. Pard will bid 3nt with anything above a dead minimum.

[Guest Jlall]

Thanks, just trying to get a feel for what people do on this auction because jdonn always tells me that my requirements for bidding 1N are "insanely strict." This hypothetical hand caused jdonn to call me insane for wanting to bid 1H, and me to call him insane for wanting to bid 1N :) Of course we are both exaggerating but still...

 

I really think 1N ought to be something like 8-11 here, especially over clubs.

[Winstonm]

If this is the worst 3nt I am ever in at imps..thank God. :) If you are that worried, assuming 1nt is 8-10 for you just bid 2nt invite with this minimum 4441 hand which will play poorly. Pard will bid 3nt with anything above a dead minimum.

Mike, if I have this hand I'm not going to give partner a chance to pass 2N at imps. :)

 

If you want to play this 1N as 6-10, that is fine. All I am saying is that if your agreement is 8-10, then it can't suddenly change to 5-6 because you have a problem hand to bid.

[jikl]

This all depends on your AGREED NT range, if it is 8-11 as Justin said, even with every 10 and 9 in the deck it still won't be strong enough. So it now comes down to which lie you will make in tempo, personally I would probably do 1♦ on maybe both of them, although I do lean further towards 1♥ on the first one.

 

Sean

[mike777]

My bet as usual that out of 25 million bridge players and many more than that partnerships, less than .01% have discussed this. :)

 

The other 99.99%+ bid something. :) I can only pray when this is why lose at bridge. :)

 

If we have great detailed agreements this cannot be a problem, I just bid whatever our agreement is. :) I assumed this was a pickup partnership and we, for some reason, discussed other stuff first. :)

[pclayton]

8-11 for 1N is what I play, and I think thats pretty standard. If you play light shapely doubles, I can even live with a 9-12 range.