sceptic Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 Hi Can any help me, I want to know how Wembles is bid or what the sequences are and what advantages it has over Michaels Cue bid and Unusual two no trump I believe this is a common convention in the west country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 Hi, maybe the following link helps: http://forums.bridgetalk.com/index.php?showtopic=971 I never heard this name, but looking at the description it seems, that it is Michales precise together with unusal 2 NT. Michales precisie being, similar to Michales, with the slight exception, that a 2C overcall is always natural (even if they have opened 1C) and a 2D bid (cue or jump) shows both mayor. +: You gain a little bit precision-: The frequency is a little bit lower With kind regardsMarlowe PS: For whats it worth, I play it in my regular partnership as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 When you hold a 2-suited overcall, there are three possible suit combinations that you can have. The majority of players use two bids, Michaels and Unusual 2NT, to cover these hands. So they either introduce doubt (other major + unknown minor) or chose not to show one hand using these methods. Wenble, all the Ghestem variants, and similar systems introduce a third bid (typically 3♣) that enables you to show all hand types precisely. The problem with Ghestem is that you will often forget that 3♣ is conventional unless you play it in all your partnerships. The Bridge Laws forum is full of threads on the mess created by forgetting a conventional 3♣. It also means that you lose the natural 3♣ overcall (be it weak or intermediate). My advice is for beginners and intermediates to become familiar with Michaels and the Unusual NT due to their popularity and frequency. Other methods are really for practised and established partnerships but, even then, the gain is small. p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 I am experimenting currently with specific two suiters in competition. What I can see is the following: 1. Pard knows exactly what you have, but so do the opps.2. Construction of the 2 suiters is critical (currently we're trying out touching ones).3. Lastly, strengths matter - either minimax or continuous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 Is it well-defined what Michaels is in the US? Around here it isn't. I've seen following called Michaels: 1♣ 2♦ both majors (French influences)1♣ 2♣ both majors (which I find in American books)1♣ 2♣ = ♠ and a red (Polish style) leaving a minefield for pickup partnerships... BTW I play the 3rd option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 There is only one Michaels, you shall not have other.... Michaels is (1m)-2m = both majors, (1M)-2M = other major + unknown major. I know this is not universal, but I think it is in North America, and is also what 98% of BBO pickup partners' profile entry means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myjoy Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 :rolleyes: :) what do u mean by small m (m) abd Capital m (M). Sry I am new here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myjoy Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 Poky do u know the answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 :) :) what do u mean by small m (m) abd Capital m (M). Sry I am new here M=Majors (majeurs)m=minors (mineurs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 There is only one Michaels, you shall not have other.... Michaels is (1m)-2m = both majors, (1M)-2M = other major + unknown major. I know this is not universal, but I think it is in North America, and is also what 98% of BBO pickup partners' profile entry means.That should be (1M)-2M = other major (OM) + unknown minor This is the standard meaning of Michaels in the UK too. The defined meaning of the Unusual NT in the UK is the two lowest unbid suits, so (1M)-2NT = diamonds and clubs(1m)-2NT = hearts + other minor (om) Some people play that (1m)-2NT shows the other minor + unknown major but this should not be described as the UNT (in the UK). p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted March 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 why is michaels and UNT different, why is it not part of the same convention Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 why is michaels and UNT different, why is it not part of the same convention Huh? Would you rather call U2NT "Michaels 2NT"? U2NT is played in combination with various cuebid definitions (top/bottom, Micheal's, Colorful, Ghestem etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 why is michaels and UNT different, why is it not part of the same conventionI expect that they were invented at different times although they combine well. There are situations where people play Michaels without the UNT, for example over a weak 2-bid (where 2NT shows a strong NT), and the Unusual NT is also applied in a greater variety of situations. p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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