mike777 Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 [hv=d=w&v=b&s=skjh65dakj3ca9432]133|100|Scoring: MP(2H)=P=P=?[/hv] Your bid and plan? You may assume you play Lebensohl if that matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 A true chamber of horrors hand. I've looked at this for 5 minutes now and I still don't know what to bid. I could revisit this tomorrow and I still wouldn't know what to bid. As sick as it sounds, put me down for 2N. Yes I know its not minors, but ever single bid has serious drawbacks. At least 2N is somewhat descriptive (without the, er, stopper) in terms of honor strength, and if pard transfers to spades, that looks like a reasonable spot too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 3♣ for me. I've usually had more success bidding a weak five-card suit than trying 2NT over a weak two with no stopper, or doubling with only doubleton in the only unbid major, or passing with 16 points and not many cards in the enemy suit. At least 3♣ is right on both values and shape (obviously it would be nice to have a better club suit). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 22, 2007 Report Share Posted March 22, 2007 I've always solved this hand type by bidding a quick 2N, it seems to work. I've had some funny hands where LHO refused to lead from AQJxxx :rolleyes: Anyways it's much safer to balance with 2N than bid 2N directly, RHO didnt raise, LHO is unlikely to have a solid suit, and thus partner probably has some length/strength in the suit. If he doesnt the suit might block if RHO has stiff honor, or if RHO has Hx lho very often won't lead his suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 2NT? Ok, I like it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 Yes I know its not minors, but ever single bid has serious drawbacks. It's not? Maybe it should be or at least minor suit oriented anyway. Seriously, if you were 3-2-4-4 you would have no problem doubling, right? And if you are 2-3-4-4 with 16-17 hcp and heart stops, you can double and bid 2N over 2S or 3N if partner gives a positive (non-leb) response in a minor or you can bid 3N when partner bids a positive 3S. He shouldn't be bidding 4S unless he has at least 6, so thats really not a concern when you're 2-3-4-4. In most of my partnerships, big hands start with double (or it could be a standard takeout X). This frees up the 2N bid for minors. Of course, partner has to know that you do this. I have found that it works quite well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 I would probably not have even considered 2NT, but after reading some of the answers I like it. Sign me up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 If 2NT = 17-19 or thereabouts, I'll bid that albeit being a tad light. Otherwise dbl + new suit or NT seems ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 I've been experimenting a little with these stopperless notrump bids: various tournament reports and comments in the BW MSC made them look like a good idea. So far, based on the limited database of my experiences (the opportunities don't arise very often) it looks good. So count me in for the natural 2N reopening here. The upside is so much better than 3♣, and even the thought of doubling makes me feel ill, while passing is just giving up (altho it may be right) so 2N it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilgan Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 I've had a lot of success with just bidding a confident 2NT with these hands. Good chance partner rates to have something in the suit, or if not.. LHO might lead a different suit hoping to get a heart through. Not exactly original thinking.. but hey.. I didn't see this thread till now :) Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 On a European forum I bet X would win and 2N would get very few votes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted March 23, 2007 Report Share Posted March 23, 2007 I would probably not have even considered 2NT, but after reading some of the answers I like it. Sign me up. indeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 I've been experimenting a little with these stopperless notrump bids: various tournament reports and comments in the BW MSC made them look like a good idea. The reason why stopperless NTs work fine is that shape and strength comes before location of high cards (i.e. stoppers). If a stopper is a worry for the NTer's pard, he can always cue to find out about one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 RHO didn't raise the preempt so I would guess partner has 3 or more hearts and this may be a terrible misfit. As tempting as it is to bid, I'm going to simply try to go plus on this hand and pass. We don't rate to have a game anywhere except 3N, and if partner has that much hand we surely will beat all the +150 and +180 scores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Pass, would be a heck of alot better than my choices on this one, ty all for great feedback and wonderful comments from all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochinko Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 I would risk 3♥. Hopefully partner will bid 3NT with a heart stopper, or 4/5 m without one. I didn't double, so I can't be expected to have four spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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