Fluffy Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 [hv=d=s&v=e&n=s62h94dak75cqj853&w=sakj5haj103d6c9642&e=s108743h87dq9842c7&s=sq9hkq652dj103cak10]399|300|Scoring: MPS - W - N - E1♥-X -XX-1♠ps-ps-2♣-ps3NT??![/hv] XX+2♣ almost guarantees 4♦ and 4(+)♣ 3NT went -2 very quickly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 On a scale of 10, 9.7 . But I'm not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 South 100% for not having opened 1NT :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 I admit that I am fortunate that in my serious partnerships, we would open 1♥ since we do not play 15-17 1N 1st seat nv. In all other situations, I'd likely be down very, very quickly after 1N [P] 3N... altho if West made the 'mistake' of bidding with his 4=4 majors, we'd not do very well either B) As it is, after 1♥, the 3N bid leaves me speechless, regardless of the inference about N's hand (an inference that I wouldn't draw, personally) So, in terms of rating the mistake..... if by a 'good' player, 100 out of 100: it is an insulting bid, to all other 3 players at the table. If by someone not up to 'real expert', then 85 out of 100, because that player may not appreciate the available options. 3♣ seems crystal clear to me. We can still back into 3N: if partner bids 3♠, my 3N will/should scream doubt... since I did not bid notrump on either of my previous opportunities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 A lack of methods may take some blame here. It'd be nice to know, for example: (1) Is 2♣ forcing?(2) Would 3♣ by opener by forcing? Anyways, bidding 3NT like this when you know a spade lead is virtually guaranteed and have no real spade stopper seems like a bad idea. I'd try 2♠ over 2♣ and see what that fetches me. Unfortunately I'd still probably end up in 4♣ which is no picnic either (I suppose -1 instead of -2 saves a few matchpoints). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 On a scale of 10, 9.7 . But I'm not sure. 9.9 out of 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 I am going to stick neck out, and blame EVERYONE for this mess, even East for being innocent. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegill Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 I think everyone but north took a leave of their senses here. 1) South's hand looks like 1NT to me. You have serious rebid problems if you don't. Granted, this may lead to 3N -2 also, but at least you give them a blind lead - a heart would give the contract if the ♦Q were onsides. We won't even discuss 3N, which is totally out of left field.2) West's hand is nothing like a takeout double - unless he has a medical condition preventing him from telling the difference between ♥ and ♦.3) East should bid at least 2♠ (and a serious argument could be made for 3). Being 5-5 in two suits partner promised 3+ in (and will have 4+ in at least one of unless he's exactly 3235) sounds like a good reason to jack up the bidding, regardless of any redoubling that's happened. Of course, if his partner's takeout doubles frequently look like that, his major mistake was not finding a new partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 South's opening may have been fine. N-S are allowed to be using a weak notrump, no? The jump to 3NT after the pass is interesting. Insane, but gutsy. I'd like it a lot if he held A-empty or better yet A-Q in hearts. KQxxx is too slow a value. You might get away once on the spades but have no quick route to nine tricks. Heck, with AKxxx in hearts, I might jump to 3NT (at IMPs) with Jx in spades (or worse). But, not with slow values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 South bid of 3 NT was so silly, he should better try oregami, tic tac toe or maybe he should start collecting stamps or beer bottles. The blame factor:1 ♥ 0 X 7 (offshape)XX 1 (shows the strength but not the shape)1 ♠ 3 (with 5-5 2 ♠ is better)pass 1pass 0 great bid2 ♣ 0 finepass 3 I have a two suiter haven`t I?3 NT 10 (from10) speechless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 I was jsut asking about the 3NT, other bids so far are 'decent'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 Well, what can South do after 2♣? He has the points to play 3NT and a positional stopper. If you wanna get super-scientific, I suppose South could try 2♠ asking for a stop, to which North would bid 3♣ showing a min and no stop (he would bid 3♠ with half-a-stop, so as to protect South's eventual positional half-stop). Then South would pass for +110. But isn't it simpler to just play the odds and bid 3NT? You see, next time you go scientific there's a mix up and you end up in a ridiculous 5♣ -2 when 3NT was a push all the time :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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