ahri Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 This came to my mind. Mainly, undos are disallowed at some tourneys because one partner can on purpose make a call and then undo it to transmit something to his partner, or simply can change his mind when he bids something and would transmit some UI to his partner. This could be prevented by simple alteration of bidding method: When your partner bids you DO NOT see the bid till your RHO bids. Then both bids would "pop up". That way you will be unable to see if your partner asked for undo (as RHO didn't bid yet) and he can safely do so, also, you would not see if your partner or opponent thought for long. Same would be true for every player on the table. This could be option that can be turned on. Also, because of that, undo could be restricted to bid/play only. This "rule" could also be applied to the play, but there hesitation and thinking is somewhat differently (ab)used. Please, consider this, I think it's a very good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant590 Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 Yeah, this idea (very similar to having a 'screens' option to limit inferences from hesitations) is great..... but aren't misbids and 'wrong card' undos AI to your RHO who would not see them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 I don’t know how other TD’s handle undo’s this it what I do. Bidding misclicks are covered under laws 25 and 16 so I follow these laws. I do this by asking the player to stop the auction and call me when there has been a misbid.The BBO software is far from ideal in handling undo’s so often the auction continues, creating possible UI and compounding the problem for the TD. Providing the players with an undo button that halted the auction and called the TD would be ideal. LAW 25 - LEGAL AND ILLEGAL CHANGES OF CALLA. Immediate Correction of InadvertencyUntil his partner makes a call, a player may substitute his intended call for aninadvertent call but only if he does so, or attempts to do so, without pause forthought. If legal, his last call stands without penalty; if illegal, it is subject tothe applicable Law. I do not allow undo’s for a card played. I believe it is near impossible to mechanically misclick a card and that the majority of ‘misclicks’ are caused by inattention. Law45C2 allows declarer to take back a card played from her hand. A card played from dummy or any card played by defender cannot be withdrawn. Ideally the BBO software would allow declarer an undo under Law45 but without this function, all undo’s in play are OFF in my tournaments. LAW 45 - CARD PLAYEDA. Play of Card from a HandEach player except dummy plays a card by detaching it from his hand andFacing it on the table immediately before him. B. Play of Card from DummyDeclarer plays a card from dummy by naming the card, after which dummypicks up the card and faces it on the table. In playing from dummy’s handdeclarer may, if necessary, pick up the desired card himself. C. Compulsory Play of Card1. Defender’s CardA defender’s card held so that it is possible for his partner to see its facemust be played to the current trick (if the defender has already made alegal play to the current trick, see Law 45E). 2. Declarer’s CardDeclarer must play a card from his hand held face up, touching or nearlytouching the table, or maintained in such a position as to indicate that ithas been played. 3. Dummy’s CardA card in the dummy must be played if it has been deliberately touchedby declarer except for the purpose of arranging dummy’s cards, or ofreaching a card above or below the card or cards touched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 I do not allow undo’s for a card played. I believe it is near impossible to mechanically misclick a card and that the majority of ‘misclicks’ are caused by inattention. Just to say that if you play on a laptop with a touch pad, then it is really easy to misclick both calls and cards. Especially with the opening lead if the order of the suits is changed as the auction finishes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 sorry Jilly, I dsagree it is easy to misclick especially is you r mouse needs cleaning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted March 17, 2007 Report Share Posted March 17, 2007 I recall once my partner was having problems with her laptop. Often just touching the trackpad would cause it to register a click, so she was misbidding and misplaying like crazy the whole night. Some trackpads have an option that allows you to tap on the pad to click, and maybe that's what was going on here, with the sensitivity being too light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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