HeartA Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 This ain't exact science. QJTxxxAQxAKQA should be happy with 6♠. totally agree. you can't expect pd to have SAK AND HK. Without all these three cards, you would need at least a finesse to make grand (spades or hearts). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 if you only miss trumps you hae an easy 5NT Well, SAK is not enough for grand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 I thought about this hand and I wondered if the following construction was possible: QJTxxxAQxAKQA Tough to know how this hand is supposed to bid. This construction I don't agree with. 3 loser hands don't make grand slam tries after a 2♣ opener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 This construction I don't agree with. 3 loser hands don't make grand slam tries after a 2♣ opener. I'm not saying I disagree with you. Or namely, that the hand above would make a grand slam try. My goal was to try to construct a hand consistent with the bidding where 7♠ wouldn't make. I did find your comment amusing though in that the last time I checked: AQJxxx AQxx KQx A is a 3 loser hand. :) The difference being which A you require partner to have in addition to his major suit kings: diamonds or spades? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 This construction I don't agree with. 3 loser hands don't make grand slam tries after a 2♣ opener. I'm not saying I disagree with you. Or namely, that the hand above would make a grand slam try. My goal was to try to construct a hand consistent with the bidding where 7♠ wouldn't make. I did find your comment amusing though in that the last time I checked: AQJxxx AQxx KQx A is a 3 loser hand. :P The difference being which A you require partner to have in addition to his major suit kings: diamonds or spades? Yeah; didn't notice that; touche! :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted March 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 Here is the full hand plus bidding: [hv=d=w&v=n&n=s973h107daj763c863&w=saqj642haq3dkq9ca&e=sk1085hk6542d4c1092&s=shj98d10852ckqj754]399|300|Scoring: IMP2C-p-2D-3C3S-4C-5S-p6H-p-6S-all pass[/hv] This is probably an interesting auction for experienced partnerships, and with Josh (with whom I think I've played only a couple of times) I really had to guess the meaning of 6H. Obviously we had no club losers, and I thought it was likely that he was missed first round diamond control. The discussion suggests that Josh overbid, that he shouldn't be looking for three useful cards (spade king, heart king and diamond ace). However, if he really had AQJxxx AQJ AKQx -, maybe he should just bid the grand? I need to have more than 1 useful card for the jump to 5S. It is "standard" to cuebid 1st round controls up-the-line at this level. Maybe it is superior to play the structure that mikeh suggests, but without discussion isn't it normal to expect partner to miss the diamond ace in this auction? Further comments are appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 well done for being on the same wavelength, but I have to confess I don't understand why Josh would not bid 6♣. He is missing so much that even possession of the ♦A is not enough... I'd expect (assuming partner held the ♦A): 6♣ 6♦ 6♥ would be the 'normal' way to try for grand with that 'horrible' hand... it is, after all, a minimum on the auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcD Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 Pass for now . I'll pull partner's dbl to show a good hand (with 5S although 4S may be enough). If partner does not dbl (presumably because he has a void and a very offensive hand) i will cue bid my K of heart to try to reach 7S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 I think Josh was a bit optimist with 6♥. I think you really need the ♦A for that bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 19, 2007 Report Share Posted March 19, 2007 All of this theory stuff is cool but in real life jdonn is just denying the DA and showing the round aces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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