jim420 Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 MBC board 11, you hold [hv=d=s&v=n&s=sqt96ht7dkqt8ca82]133|100|Scoring: IMPW N E S- - - PP P 1♣ P3♣ X P ?[/hv] What would you bid now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 The double is takeout, hence 3S. 3C was preemptive or limit? Does not really matter, but it may giveyou a feeling what partner is looking at. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 4441 is quite likely. Game is possible if pard has a well-fitting max, but since this is NV, I'll just bid 3♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 The double is takeout, with pd being a passed hand I don't get excited. 3S is fine. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 I play it as majors with diamond tolerence- he could be 4-4-3-2 or even 4-4-2-3 with a good diamond doubleton. Too much to ask that he wait for the 'perfect' hand for takeout. Same result as the other folks, though- 3♠. I just wanted to point out that if you changed your hand to: ♠QT96♥T7♦KQT82♣A8 I would still bid 3♠, not 3♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_c Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 The double is take-out, and should be close to perfect in shape since a passed hand has no business coming in at the 3-level otherwise. In particular, the doubler must have either a void or a small singleton in clubs. So the only question is whether to bid 3♠ or 4♠. I'd probably bid 4♠ - as whereagles says, game is possible if partner has a well-fitting maximum, and as far as I'm concerned partner must have a well-fitting maximum to justify bidding on this auction! But 3♠ is OK I suppose. No other calls make any sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 The X is takeout, my vote is other. 4♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 The double is takeout, and it shows a quality hand; not just noise with a 4=5=4=0 6 count. However, opposite a hand like: Kxxx, Kxxxx, Axxx, void (which is what I expect), you need just a little luck for 4♠. Furthermore, if 4♠ is going down (A♥ on right) there's a good chance they have 4♣ their way, which they'll probably bid with their 10 card fit over 3♠. If pard has a perfecto minimum KJxx, Axxx, Jxxx, x, game is excellent. Bids like 4♠ make life very tough on your opponents. Am I bidding it on: Axxxx, x, Qxxxx, xx? Or do I have a 13 count that can't come in over 1♣? If LHO guesses right, by passing or bidding 5♣, good for him. But if LHO guesses wrong, I come out with a big profit on a mundane hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 I am surprised how many people are bidding only 3♠. I'd bid 4♠. Keep in mind that pard isn't going to double 3♣ on some balanced hand that he couldn't open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 I am surprised how many people are bidding only 3♠. I'd bid 4♠. I'm not. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 I am surprised how many people are bidding only 3♠. I'd bid 4♠. I'm not. :) 3S is a stand out at MPs or BAM and 4S is a stand out at Imps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 This is way more interesting a question for me than is generally addressed. I'm having a little trouble visualizing the hand that partner passes in third seat, white, but that is strong enough to compete at IMPs at the three-level. Many 4441 perfecto's would have been opened by most of my partners, let alone some of the bulky 4450's. Further, these hands seem like terrible holdings for a three-level takeout double at IMPs, as they are asking for trouble. I am more inclined, at least in theory, to expect a hand not suitable for an opening because of rebid problems. 5440 is not so problematic. 3451/4351 is not problematic either, as you can live with a major response or could rebid diamonds. So, I am leaning toward a 4441 specifically, as 1NT by Responder would be ugly. Now, even with 4441, I would open something if I held a very strong suit, and yet I seem to need quality suits all over to justify this level of involvement. Perforce, I suspect AJ9x in diamonds. Stiff club. I'm having trouble with the majors, but perhaps ♠Kxxx ♥QJ98 ♦AJ9x ♣x? That seems rich for a third-seat white pass, at IMP's, but I cannot imagine less for this three-level double. Opposite that, 4♠ has play. So, with any normal person, I would also bid 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 The double is takeout, and it shows a quality hand; not just noise with a 4=5=4=0 6 count. I think exactly the opposite, partner tends to be light and just wants to make life difficult for the opponents. 3♠ for me. Also it's an important point that the club ace would be much more valuable in any other suit, even if partner has a singleton club. In that case I would bid 4♠ and hope to make it purely on fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 The X is takeout, my vote is other. 4♠ ditto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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