Miron Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=skqj432hkdj42c642]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]2♠ - 3♥ - pass - ? Ops knows that psych bid exists. But they are no crazy bidders. Do you go for bluff reveal, or minimul loss on missfit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Pass is absurd. I'm way too strong. LHO might be psyching but even so there's no way to reach 4♠. 3♠ followed by 4♠ is certainly not natural and I don't think partner will take a direct 4♠ as natural either. I bid 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 I don't know many good pairs that would psych a 2♠ opening in first seat. (Hell, I don't think that I've ever seen a first seat 2♠ psyche) Yes, I have a chunky 6+ card Spade suit. Even so, I think that its far more likely that RHO opponent opened 2♠ with AJT98 in Spades and some 5-4-3-1 pattern than an outright psych. My hand is terrible for a Heart contract. Mark me down for a 3NT bid. This seems a lot safer than passing 3♥ or expecting that partner will read 4♠ as a natural bid. (Even if he did, I'm not taking an action that is intended to force the auction past 4♥. Thats just asking for trouble) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 (edited) I would interpret 3♠, correcting 3NT to 4♠ as natural without an agreement*. If partner made any other call besides 3NT over 3♠, then I do not (can not) bid 4♠. Most likely, we'll end up in 4 of a minor, but if partner is short spades (as he must be if this isn't a psyche) and didn't X, I don't think 3NT is going to make. *making thousands of people throughout the world happy that they're not my partner. Edited March 7, 2007 by jtfanclub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 No reason at all to think they have psyched, and even if they did 3S and then 4S is not natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miron Posted March 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 I'm bit suprised. What is:2♠ - 3♥ - pass - 3♠pass - 4♣ - pass - 4♠in your methods? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 I'm bit suprised. What is:2♠ - 3♥ - pass - 3♠pass - 4♣ - pass - 4♠in your methods? A cuebid. And if you later bid 5S, that's a cuebid. I suppose by 6S partner would get the message. Saying this is natural is making meanings for bids up to fit your hand (and your spades are not nearly good enough for this even if it was natural, why do you want to play in spades after they've bid a weak 2?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miron Posted March 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 I'm bit suprised. What is:2♠ - 3♥ - pass - 3♠pass - 4♣ - pass - 4♠in your methods? A cuebid. And if you later bid 5S, that's a cuebid. I suppose by 6S partner would get the message. Saying this is natural is making meanings for bids up to fit your hand (and your spades are not nearly good enough for this even if it was natural, why do you want to play in spades after they've bid a weak 2?). Cause they psyched :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 I'm bit suprised. What is:2♠ - 3♥ - pass - 3♠pass - 4♣ - pass - 4♠in your methods? I'm almost sure that it's a slam try for clubs, no matter what method one plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 And not a slam try for hearts? Either way, it's probably a cue, and 5♠ is probably a void, and 6♠ is probably asking about the ♠ ace for 7NT or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 I'm bit suprised. What is:2♠ - 3♥ - pass - 3♠pass - 4♣ - pass - 4♠in your methods? A cuebid. But what about 2♠ - 3♥ - pass - 3♠pass - 3NT - pass - 4♠ Would you interpret that as a cue bid? Or psyche-exposing? (I don't know how I would interpet the auction with the 4♣ bid, but it wouldn't be natural). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 I agree with Justin, I don' think they psyched. Pass. 3NT is tempting, but will probably go down. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 There are no bids to expose a first seat weak 2 psyche. Maybe a jump to 7S. If your opponents are psyching a weak 2 in the highest ranking suit in first seat, that's great, presumably they're doing it on shortness which gives them a huge chance of being raised to the moon by their partner. If I had AKQJxxx of spades I would still not believe that they had psyched, color me naive. In one of the best bridge books ever, why you lose at bridge, SJ Simon says that even if you suspect the opponents have psyched just bid on the assumption that they have not until you have reason to believe otherwise from the auction. This is great advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilgan Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 This reminds me of a hand from about a year ago. The bidding of the hand went: 1♠ 2♠ 3NT - all check After the hand was over, my RHO mentioned that if my partner had passed instead of bidding 3NT, he was going to pass 2 spades. The reply was "And that large thud you woulda heard would have been my jaw hitting the table" (he was 6/6 reds). I had 5 spades, LHO and my partner both had a void, and RHO had 8 spades to the AJT9. Strange hands happen, and they happen a lot more frequently than I really ever see someone psyching spades in the first seat :P Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 I would like to bid 3NT, but how on earth is my partner going to get my ♠ tricks, if 2♠ is a weak 6 card ♠ suit. I don't think that opener will allow partner some sort of endplay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 On 3NT we make no trick, not that we will mak more in 3♥, but at least partner will. Options ar epass adn 4♥, I'll pass. BTW, I could take 7♠ as transfer on some other biddings where RHO has shown the suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 On 3NT we make no trick, not that we will mak more in 3♥, but at least partner will. Options ar epass adn 4♥, I'll pass. BTW, I could take 7♠ as transfer on some other biddings where RHO has shown the suit. What makes you think that Hearts will play better than NT RHO is sitting over partner and is marked with Spade shortness. I don't know if Spades are going to split 2-0, 1-1, 0-2, 0-1, 1-0 or what. I do know is that having someone sit over me with Spade shortage and a good chance at heart length scares me. Partner isn't getting any ruffs with my hand. They aren't going to run Spades in a NT contract. If partner decided to bid 3♥ on crap then he's gonna learn a valuable lesson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 I raise to 4♥. I don't think they psyched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 The best reason for 3N is that they can't get their hearts promoted. Other than that, it rates to be ugly. Echo others; if they psyched - touche! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 I'm bit suprised. What is:2♠ - 3♥ - pass - 3♠pass - 4♣ - pass - 4♠in your methods? A cuebid. And if you later bid 5S, that's a cuebid. I suppose by 6S partner would get the message. Saying this is natural is making meanings for bids up to fit your hand (and your spades are not nearly good enough for this even if it was natural, why do you want to play in spades after they've bid a weak 2?). Cause they psyched :P And you know this, how? After the fact? When you see all the cards? And if they havent psyched? Then what? Do you really want to play 4S knowing in advance that LHO has A10976x? Really, if they have psyched, good for them. It worked. Oh well. If they haven't (and you have no reason to believe otherwise), considering anything other than pass is, ummm, optimistic. Yea, thats the word I was looking for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miron Posted March 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 They had not made any psych bid. LHO has ♠A10xxxx (six of them).The bidding was at our table:2♠ - 3♥ - pass - 3♠pass - 4♣ - pass - 4♠pass - 5♥ - all5♥-4 = -400, luckily they didn't double. After the board I wasn't sure what to do with this type of hands. The majority of you, believes opp the spades and tries pass or 3NT. I think it is good idea. I'm cleverer now :) I will also remove the 4♠ natural meaning from my system. Thanks all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 pass, they may have psyched, but 3S followed by4S will be interpreted as heart support + control,i.e. there is no way, we will play 4S.Partner may have bid 3H on 6 card suit with 10HCP,i.e. we dont make anything, and 3H is not doubledyet. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 The bidding was at our table:2♠ - 3♥ - pass - 3♠pass - 4♣ - pass - 4♠pass - 5♥ - all As the only person who voted for the 'they psyched' option, with the caveat I wrote in the thread, I would be pleased as punch that partner bid 4♣, and there we would play. While I still like 3♠ as a possible psyche exposer (if partner rebids 3NT, it's a psych, if he doesn't assume it isn't), I have been convinced by the overwhelming majority here that I just don't have the strength to make that attempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 This reminds me of a hand from a few weeks ago, I had ♠QJT9876 (no gaps!) and RHO opened 1♠! I thought he psyched (he does that sometimes) but when he rebid 4♠ we had a fun board :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 If LHO psyched, he sure chose the right moment to do it.. LOL Anyway, if he didn't psych, the game is a bit of a misfit, so I pass 3♥. Incidently, you can expose the psych by bidding 3NT followed by spades if pard pulls you out of NTs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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