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Miron

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  1. 1. What is your action

    • They psyched, I go for spades (3S, later 4S)
      3
    • They psyched, other
      1
    • No bluff, pass (least evil)
      30
    • No bluff, other
      4


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I don't know many good pairs that would psych a 2 opening in first seat. (Hell, I don't think that I've ever seen a first seat 2 psyche)

 

Yes, I have a chunky 6+ card Spade suit. Even so, I think that its far more likely that RHO opponent opened 2 with AJT98 in Spades and some 5-4-3-1 pattern than an outright psych.

 

My hand is terrible for a Heart contract.

Mark me down for a 3NT bid.

 

This seems a lot safer than passing 3 or expecting that partner will read 4 as a natural bid.

(Even if he did, I'm not taking an action that is intended to force the auction past 4. Thats just asking for trouble)

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I would interpret 3, correcting 3NT to 4 as natural without an agreement*. If partner made any other call besides 3NT over 3, then I do not (can not) bid 4. Most likely, we'll end up in 4 of a minor, but if partner is short spades (as he must be if this isn't a psyche) and didn't X, I don't think 3NT is going to make.

 

*making thousands of people throughout the world happy that they're not my partner.

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I'm bit suprised. What is:

2 - 3 - pass - 3

pass - 4 - pass - 4

in your methods?

A cuebid. And if you later bid 5S, that's a cuebid. I suppose by 6S partner would get the message. Saying this is natural is making meanings for bids up to fit your hand (and your spades are not nearly good enough for this even if it was natural, why do you want to play in spades after they've bid a weak 2?).

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I'm bit suprised. What is:

2 - 3 - pass - 3

pass - 4 - pass - 4

in your methods?

A cuebid. And if you later bid 5S, that's a cuebid. I suppose by 6S partner would get the message. Saying this is natural is making meanings for bids up to fit your hand (and your spades are not nearly good enough for this even if it was natural, why do you want to play in spades after they've bid a weak 2?).

Cause they psyched :P

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I'm bit suprised. What is:

2 - 3 - pass - 3

pass - 4 - pass - 4

in your methods?

A cuebid.

But what about

 

2 - 3 - pass - 3

pass - 3NT - pass - 4

 

Would you interpret that as a cue bid? Or psyche-exposing?

 

(I don't know how I would interpet the auction with the 4 bid, but it wouldn't be natural).

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There are no bids to expose a first seat weak 2 psyche. Maybe a jump to 7S. If your opponents are psyching a weak 2 in the highest ranking suit in first seat, that's great, presumably they're doing it on shortness which gives them a huge chance of being raised to the moon by their partner. If I had AKQJxxx of spades I would still not believe that they had psyched, color me naive.

 

In one of the best bridge books ever, why you lose at bridge, SJ Simon says that even if you suspect the opponents have psyched just bid on the assumption that they have not until you have reason to believe otherwise from the auction. This is great advice.

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This reminds me of a hand from about a year ago.

 

The bidding of the hand went:

 

1 2 3NT - all check

 

After the hand was over, my RHO mentioned that if my partner had passed instead of bidding 3NT, he was going to pass 2 spades. The reply was "And that large thud you woulda heard would have been my jaw hitting the table" (he was 6/6 reds).

 

I had 5 spades, LHO and my partner both had a void, and RHO had 8 spades to the AJT9. Strange hands happen, and they happen a lot more frequently than I really ever see someone psyching spades in the first seat :P

 

Eric

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On 3NT we make no trick, not that we will mak more in 3, but at least partner will. Options ar epass adn 4, I'll pass.

 

BTW, I could take 7 as transfer on some other biddings where RHO has shown the suit.

What makes you think that Hearts will play better than NT

 

RHO is sitting over partner and is marked with Spade shortness.

 

I don't know if Spades are going to split 2-0, 1-1, 0-2, 0-1, 1-0 or what. I do know is that having someone sit over me with Spade shortage and a good chance at heart length scares me.

 

Partner isn't getting any ruffs with my hand. They aren't going to run Spades in a NT contract. If partner decided to bid 3 on crap then he's gonna learn a valuable lesson.

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I'm bit suprised. What is:

2 - 3 - pass - 3

pass - 4 - pass - 4

in your methods?

A cuebid. And if you later bid 5S, that's a cuebid. I suppose by 6S partner would get the message. Saying this is natural is making meanings for bids up to fit your hand (and your spades are not nearly good enough for this even if it was natural, why do you want to play in spades after they've bid a weak 2?).

Cause they psyched :P

And you know this, how?

 

After the fact? When you see all the cards?

 

And if they havent psyched? Then what? Do you really want to play 4S knowing in advance that LHO has A10976x?

 

Really, if they have psyched, good for them. It worked. Oh well. If they haven't (and you have no reason to believe otherwise), considering anything other than pass is, ummm, optimistic. Yea, thats the word I was looking for.

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They had not made any psych bid. LHO has A10xxxx (six of them).

The bidding was at our table:

2 - 3 - pass - 3

pass - 4 - pass - 4

pass - 5 - all

5-4 = -400, luckily they didn't double. After the board I wasn't sure what to do with this type of hands. The majority of you, believes opp the spades and tries pass or 3NT. I think it is good idea. I'm cleverer now :) I will also remove the 4 natural meaning from my system.

 

Thanks all

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pass, they may have psyched, but 3S followed by

4S will be interpreted as heart support + control,

i.e. there is no way, we will play 4S.

Partner may have bid 3H on 6 card suit with 10HCP,

i.e. we dont make anything, and 3H is not doubled

yet.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

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The bidding was at our table:

2 - 3 - pass - 3

pass - 4 - pass - 4

pass - 5 - all

As the only person who voted for the 'they psyched' option, with the caveat I wrote in the thread, I would be pleased as punch that partner bid 4, and there we would play.

 

While I still like 3 as a possible psyche exposer (if partner rebids 3NT, it's a psych, if he doesn't assume it isn't), I have been convinced by the overwhelming majority here that I just don't have the strength to make that attempt.

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This reminds me of a hand from a few weeks ago, I had QJT9876 (no gaps!) and RHO opened 1! I thought he psyched (he does that sometimes) but when he rebid 4 we had a fun board :D
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If LHO psyched, he sure chose the right moment to do it.. LOL

 

Anyway, if he didn't psych, the game is a bit of a misfit, so I pass 3.

 

Incidently, you can expose the psych by bidding 3NT followed by spades if pard pulls you out of NTs.

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