Bidding over a weak 1NT

[paulg]

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Pass (1NT) ?

 

1NT=12-14[/hv]

At the table we were a first-time partnership playing 2♣=majors and the rest natural. Your call?

[MickyB]

In a first-time partnership, presumably I don't know how strong 3♠ is, so I don't need to decide between three and four spades; I'll just bid four.

[Walddk]

4♠; anything less would be wimpish.

 

Roland

[gwnn]

It's not like partner has K Axxx xxxxx QJT. 4♠ ought to be enough :blink:

[kenberg]

Whooie, am I outvoted. I'm the penalty double (natural, according to the given agreements). If this is followed by three passes I won't like it but I doubt it will be. My next call is 3S. Whatever partner thinks I am doing, he is likely to make the correct choice. I need him to have something if I am to take ten tricks. I would think such a sequence would say exactly that. Of course if his something is in diamonds, this may not work so well.

[Codo]

Okay I am the second lonesome cowboy. My pd won`t expect so much defence after my 4 Spade bid, so I would start with 2 Spade. I believe that this is a hand where we should gain more from slow bidding then our opps will gain.

[helene_t]

What Micky said. On a good day I get doubled.

[Walddk]

Okay I am the second lonesome cowboy. My pd won`t expect so much defence after my 4 Spade bid, so I would start with 2 Spade. I believe that this is a hand where we should gain more from slow bidding then our opps will gain.

What makes you think that you will get another bite of the cherry?

 

Roland

[helene_t]

What makes you think that you will get another bite of the cherry?

 

Roland

With a 7204 I can eat a cherry in one bite. Maybe even a cake.

[Guest Jlall]

I would also follow the X then 3S plan.

[jtfanclub]

[hv=d=n&v=b&s=saqt9873hkqdck653]133|100|Scoring: MP

Pass (1NT) ?

 

1NT=12-14[/hv]

At the table we were a first-time partnership playing 2♣=majors and the rest natural. Your call?

I would never X and then bid 3♠ with a new partner- I don't know what I'd say over 5♦.

 

There's other issues too...does X followed by 3♠ forcing choice of games (5 spades, about 18 hcp) or nonforcing (6 spades, about 15 hcp). Or...could it be Splinter if partner bid 2♥? And with a void and a 7 card suit and one of the opponents being balanced, I'm expecting some seriously frisky bidding here. Without any partnership understandings or agreements, this is dangerous ground.

 

I believe in KISS with a new partnership with no agreements. 4♠. With a regular partner, well, hopefully I have some agreements on this auction.

[Guest Jlall]

I would never X and then bid 3♠ with a new partner- I don't know what I'd say over 5♦.

 

There's other issues too...does X followed by 3♠ forcing choice of games (5 spades, about 18 hcp) or nonforcing (6 spades, about 15 hcp). Or...could it be Splinter if partner bid 2♥? And with a void and a 7 card suit and one of the opponents being balanced, I'm expecting some seriously frisky bidding here. Without any partnership understandings or agreements, this is dangerous ground.

:P

[jtfanclub]

:rolleyes

Hey, have you seen the quality of pickup partners around here?

[kenberg]

After posting my thoughts I got to worrying about some of the possibilities mentioned. However when partner looks at his stiff spade and hears me bidding 3S I think he can work out that it is not a splinter. Maybe, maybe not. That he might think that I am saying "I am sure we belong in game but I am only strongly suggesting spades" is, I suppose, a problem. Still, doubling and then jumping in a suit sets trump where I come from.

 

Mostly when I play pick-up I avoid conventional calls, but I trust he can work out the implications of a natural call. Not always true of course, but often it is.

[pclayton]

I'm a wimp I guess; 3♠. The 7th spade is nice, but the texture of the rounded suits sucks.

[marcD]

Abstain :)

 

over WNT i play dbl flat hand 13+ , 2C Landy other transfer. Here I would bid 2H (constructive) and would raise 2S to 3S . 4S looks like too much; let's partner decide

[paulg]

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My partner, and her regular partner later agreed, bid 3♠ and played there. As Mickyb surmised, the problem with this bid is that we all play it differently. Of course I could still have raised to prevent the missed game.

 

At the time I thought I would have overcalled 4♠, but (to my mind) the 'double and 3♠' bidders have had the better of the argument.

 

Paul

[pclayton]

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My partner, and her regular partner later agreed, bid 3♠ and played there. As Mickyb surmised, the problem with this bid is that we all play it differently. Of course I could still have raised to prevent the missed game.

 

At the time I thought I would have overcalled 4♠, but (to my mind) the 'double and 3♠' bidders have had the better of the argument.

 

Paul

Paul, I think you have a clear 4♠ call over 3♠. Maybe your requirements for a jump overcall over a weak NT are different than mine though.

[the hog]

3S if intermediate, 2S if not; 4S is not optimal opposite nothing. X is the worst bid I can think of. Seriously I think Pass is a better call than X. Nth should raise 2S to 3S and 3S to 4S.

[HeartA]

4♠, automatically.

[paulg]

Paul, I think you have a clear 4♠ call over 3♠. Maybe your requirements for a jump overcall over a weak NT are different than mine though.

At the time my reaction was "I hope she makes this" but I agree that a 4♠ call is right even opposite myself!

[han]

I like double followed by 3S. I think that 3S was an underbid and so was pass. It makes 6 on a non-club lead?