Poky Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Assume you are playing some standard expert system where 4♣ shows 5M5♣. IMP. All vul. ♠Qx♥AK9x♦x♣AJ9xxx (3♦) ?? Your bid is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 I double and pass partner's 3♠. I could easily be convinced that pass or maybe 3NT or 4♣ is the percentage action. I don't believe in 5♣. I think 4♣ should show clubs and an unknow major, 4♦ shows both majors. Or do you double with 5-5 majors, and use 4♦ for spades+clubs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 dbl and correct a spade bid to clubs luv ELC.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 If I ca show 2 suiter then that's what I have: 4 ♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 X. When in doubt, ask "what would R/S do?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temp3600 Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 X. Several good things can happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 In a first game together with a partner who has had a national championship win, presumably talented, she doubled with a hand like this, and we ended up in the equivalent for this hand of 4♠ on a 4-2 fit. I bid 4♠ directly because my suit was AQJx and, therefore, playable opposite honor doubleton. 4♠ made, the only game that made. Just one hand, not remotely persuasive as an argument, but it seemed logical to double and live with the spade decision. If advancer has poor spades and plans to bid game, advancer will usually temporize when possible. If 4♠ is bid and is a poor contract, such is life in preemptville. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 X. When in doubt, ask "what would R/S do?" Who do you mean? I usually ask what would F/N do... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 double, I really hate it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000002 Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 i vote 3♥. surplus counts are 20total,pard has most posibility hold 10Hcps and 4432/4333/5332 shape.if he hold a hand as below:AXXXXQXXQXXQXapparently 4♥ better than 4♠ even pard hold 5cards ♠. if he has 6cards ♠ and 3cards ♥,he shall bid 3♠ then back 4♥ unless he has 8Hcps only.if he has 5cards ♠ and 3cards ♥ and 13up Hcps,he shall bid 3♠ then cue bid.if he has 4cards ♣ and 3cards ♥,5♣ is a bad contract unless he hold perfect 10counts.and it's most impossible to hold 4+cards ♣ to overcall 3♥, maybe we will lost a pretty slam, but we'll bid a best game as we can. regards 000002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 4♣, as described by the OP. I might bid 4♣ anyway, although it would be tough between that and double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Assume you are playing some standard expert system where 4♣ shows 5M5♣. IMP. All vul. ♠Qx♥AK9x♦x♣AJ9xxx (3♦) ?? Your bid is? I guess the question is, what does X followed by 4C over partner's 3S show in your methods? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 X. When in doubt, ask "what would R/S do?" Who do you mean? I usually ask what would F/N do... Well, F/N didn't write such a great book as "Partnership bidding at bridge", so it's harder to tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 Most posters didn't read the initial post. 4C shows a 5 card Major and 5C. I pass. 4C for me is non Leaping Leaping Michaels 5/5. I am tempted to treat my H suit like a 5 carder though, so it is very close. I would't bid 4C even if it were natural - it is a nothing bid! It by passes a very likely game contract for your side - 3NT. and it is not game in its own right, hence a lot of players have given up the natural 4C bid to play it as a 2 suiter. Anyway this C suit is nowhere near good enough for a 4C bid, even IF the bid were natural. X is absurd. The doublers deserve their 4-2 fit. Whereagles, you can try to bid 4C over your partner's 4S, but I don't think it will work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 Pass? to pessimistic and is out,3H? I would never overcall a 4-card suit at 3-level.3N? It has to be natural and to play. Unless I am crazy, I would never bid NT with stiff (and small) diamond.5C? I wouldn't do that before consulting with my pd. That leaves dbl and 4C. Over my dbl, if pd bids 3S, I will "correct" to 4C, hopefully pd would not take it as double-and-bid hand; If my pd bid 4S, I would have to pass. I will also pass my pd's 3NT. 4C is the least evil bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 Pass? to pessimistic and is out,3H? I would never overcall a 4-card suit at 3-level.3N? It has to be natural and to play. Unless I am crazy, I would never bid NT with stiff (and small) diamond.5C? I wouldn't do that before consulting with my pd. That leaves dbl and 4C. Over my dbl, if pd bids 3S, I will "correct" to 4C, hopefully pd would not take it as double-and-bid hand; If my pd bid 4S, I would have to pass. I will also pass my pd's 3NT. 4C is the least evil bid. Another one who didn't read the original post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 What is the system bid with a good hand including long clubs and no diamond stopper? This seems like a pretty common hand type in general, but 4♣ seems to be unavailable to show it. Anyways it seems like I'm going to be forced to lie here. I'd rather sell this hand as "hearts and clubs" than any of the other unappealing options, so I suppose I'll go with 4♣ knowing this could lead to a 4-3 heart fit pretty easily. Still it seems better to play in a 4-3 heart fit than the 4-2 spade fit I could easily reach by doubling, or the 4-2 heart fit I could reach by bidding 3♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 I would double with a partner who does not jump to 4♠ with a stopperless 4(32)4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 Another one who didn't read the original post. I believe I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000002 Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 What is the system bid with a good hand including long clubs and no diamond stopper? This seems like a pretty common hand type in general, but 4♣ seems to be unavailable to show it. Anyways it seems like I'm going to be forced to lie here. I'd rather sell this hand as "hearts and clubs" than any of the other unappealing options, so I suppose I'll go with 4♣ knowing this could lead to a 4-3 heart fit pretty easily. Still it seems better to play in a 4-3 heart fit than the 4-2 spade fit I could easily reach by doubling, or the 4-2 heart fit I could reach by bidding 3♥. or the 4-2 heart fit I could reach by bidding 3♥. which hand he hold to raise 4♥ with 2card ♥ only? regards 000002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 which hand he hold to raise 4♥ with 2card ♥ only? regards 000002 I normally refuse to read your colourful posts, but htis one was short :P to raise a 6 card suit with 2?, almost anything with 8+ HCP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000002 Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 which hand he hold to raise 4♥ with 2card ♥ only? regards 000002 I normally refuse to read your colourful posts, but htis one was short :) to raise a 6 card suit with 2?, almost anything with 8+ HCP I normally refuse to read your colourful posts i see, u want not learn bridge from me,and me 2.but i want learn english from others. :P why u take this 3♥ as 6 cards length?how did he overcall with following hand:AAJTxxxxxKQxx Regards 000002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 Pass. It seems my methods don't allow me to bid this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 Most posters didn't read the initial post. I cannot find any previous post that suggests this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000002 Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 i construct 2typical hand to probe into this puzzle:AAxxxxxAKQJxxin allusion to afflictive 3♦ preemption,which one is the best bidding? another one:xxAKxxxxAKQxx regards 000002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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