Echognome Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=skt9xhaqtxxdakqxc]133|100|Scoring: IMP1♥ - (1NT) - 2♠ - (2NT)*?[/hv]*Lebensohl. What now kemo sabe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Something smells rotten in the state of Denmark. I have a 19 count. LHO is showing a strong NT.My partner rates to have 6 Spades and a weakish handRHO rates to have 6+ Clubs In theory, LHO could hold something like AQKJxxxxxxAQx Partner MIGHT have bid 2♠ on an empty six or seven card suit. However, its also very likely that LHO is having a bit of fun. 1. I think that we need to ask a couple questions What's the difference between the following auctions? 1♥ - (1NT) - 2♠ - (2NT)4♣ and 1♥ - (1NT) - 2♠ - (2NT)P - (3♣) - P - (P)4♣ 2. Do we trust that LHO will actually complete the puppet to 3♣? I'm gonna bid an immediate 4♣. This looks like the safest way to investigate a spade slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted March 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 As per questions regarding agreements, it's a fine exercise, but assume you are playing with a new partner (as I was) with the only discussion being that you are playing 2/1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 As per questions regarding agreements, it's a fine exercise, but assume you are playing with a new partner (as I was) with the only discussion being that you are playing 2/1. The question about methods was directed so much at you as to the peanut gallery as a whole. I certainly don't have detailed agreements about difference between the two sequences... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000002 Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 i don't know what is the meaning of "kemo sabe" in english,would anyone like to explain?thanks although such,i understand 5♠ better than 4♣.the reason is 2♠ guarantee 6cards+,and length of ♣:1/2/3+,means ♥+♦<=4cards.my english so poor,i have to use logical symbol to tell u. sorry regards 000002 :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 i don't know what is the meaning of "kemo sabe" in english,would anyone like to explain?thanks although such,i understand 5♠ better than 4♣.the reason is 2♠ guarantee 6cards+,and length of ♣:1/2/3+,means ♥+♦<=4cards.my english so poor,i have to use logical symbol to tell u. sorry regards 000002 :P "kemo sabe" is an expression used in the old "Lone Ranger" radio shows. The character "Tonto" was a Native American scout. He used this expression when addressing the Lone Ranger. There is a fair amount of debate about the origins of the expression. The following URL has a decent write up. http://www.tcnj.edu/~hofmann/kemosabe.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Something smells rotten in the state of Denmark. I have a 19 count. LHO is showing a strong NT.My partner rates to have 6 Spades and a weakish handRHO rates to have 6+ Clubs In theory, LHO could hold something like AQKJxxxxxxAQx Partner MIGHT have bid 2♠ on an empty six or seven card suit. However, its also very likely that LHO is having a bit of fun. 1. I think that we need to ask a couple questions What's the difference between the following auctions? 1♥ - (1NT) - 2♠ - (2NT)4♣ and 1♥ - (1NT) - 2♠ - (2NT)P - (3♣) - P - (P)4♣ 2. Do we trust that LHO will actually complete the puppet to 3♣? I'm gonna bid an immediate 4♣. This looks like the safest way to investigate a spade slam.I won't pretend like I have ever thought about 1), but the answer to 2) is fairly and squarely no way. I don't know yet that anyone has psyched, though the 1NT bidder may have. But LHO could easily have something like Qxx KJx xx AKQJx or so, partner AJxxxx x x xxxx, and RHO 6 diamonds, a pile of squadoosh, and an adventerous spirit at the vul. I am just going to bid 6♠, trusting (hoping) that either partner has the ace of spades, partner has a stiff heart, or his second heart can go on a diamond. I am actually pretty confident since it's not like he should bid with nothing here vul, and if I miss a grand I'll simply move on with life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 If overcaller exposes the psyche by passing Lebensohl, should you trust partner to protect? Or perhaps that is putting a tad too much pressure on a partner who believes that he has already bid his hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Hi, 4S. If you believe in a psych, you have the option to choose 5S. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 I'd just try 6S though we may miss a laydown 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 4♠ now, before they disentangle their club suit. Can't really believe we have 6 here (possible tho). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 I don't think there is any psycke here, 4♠ should be enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 "kor no sabe" is Spanish Creole for "I don't know how to protect my heart honours against the lead". I double 2NT for now although it probably won't become clearer whether to bid 6♠ or not. Ideally we may belong in 6♦ in my hand to protect against the heart lead but I have no clue how to reach that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 I would expect pard to be able to bid 2S on as little as QJxxxxx, xx, x, Kxx so I don't want to hang him. I think 4C here still must be splinter, so I start with that and over the expected 4S will bid 5D, trying to wake up parter to the knowledge that AQxxxx and out is enough for slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 I know it is against the law to open 2clubs with 2 or 3 suited hands, but I would have tried it here, oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Why is everybody so sure that 4♣ is a splinter? Could it not be a huge 5-5? 2♠ is non-forcing, so I would assume 3♣ isn't forcing either.I am not saying 4♣ shouldn't be a splinter, just wondering why nobody else is considering it to be natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 I'm really amazed by all the 4S bidders. What? Partner bid 2S... I mean wow, you need nothing for a slam. queen sixth of spades will make slam as long as partner has only 4 red cards (very likely), and that is nowhere near what a person needs to bid 2S. I would expect pard to be able to bid 2S on as little as QJxxxxx, xx, x, Kxx so I don't want to hang him. Huh? Slam is cold opposite this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 Why is everybody so sure that 4♣ is a splinter? Could it not be a huge 5-5? 2♠ is non-forcing, so I would assume 3♣ isn't forcing either.I am not saying 4♣ shouldn't be a splinter, just wondering why nobody else is considering it to be natural. I can't see 4♣ being a splinter either, since 3♣ is clearly NF. I'd just blast 6♠. Passing 2N may work (and cuebidding something), but you probably aren't going to get pard to cooperate in this auction anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 I'm really amazed by all the 4S bidders. What? Partner bid 2S... I mean wow, you need nothing for a slam. queen sixth of spades will make slam as long as partner has only 4 red cards (very likely), and that is nowhere near what a person needs to bid 2S. I would expect pard to be able to bid 2S on as little as QJxxxxx, xx, x, Kxx so I don't want to hang him. Huh? Slam is cold opposite this hand. I was about to make pretty much this exact same post till you beat me to it. I still agree with us both that I'm far more worried about missing a grand than not making slam, even if 1NT wasn't a psych. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 4, 2007 Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 6S for me. So many hands opposite will make 6. Btw I would take 4C as a splinter, but can't see much point here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 I'm really amazed by all the 4S bidders. What? Partner bid 2S... I mean wow, you need nothing for a slam. queen sixth of spades will make slam as long as partner has only 4 red cards (very likely), and that is nowhere near what a person needs to bid 2S. I would expect pard to be able to bid 2S on as little as QJxxxxx, xx, x, Kxx so I don't want to hang him. Huh? Slam is cold opposite this hand. I was about to make pretty much this exact same post till you beat me to it. I still agree with us both that I'm far more worried about missing a grand than not making slam, even if 1NT wasn't a psych. Don't mind me....been drinking again. :ph34r: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted March 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 I bid 6♠ and partner had almost what Winston said. The full hand was something like: [hv=d=s&n=sqjxxxxhxxdxxckxx&w=saxhkjxxdjtxcaqjx&e=sxhxxdxxxxcxxxxxx&s=skt9xhaqtxxdakqxc]399|300|Scoring: IMP1♥ - (1N) - 2♠ - (2N)6♠ - All Pass[/hv] Given that Qxxxxx xx xx xxx has good play for slam and given that the actual hand with the wasted ♣K makes slam good, I think you need to just bid it. Splintering is not gonna help as how is partner suppose to evaluate he has anything near what you need. The only solution we could come up with for finding grand (make partner Axxxxx without the ♣K) would be to bid 5♣ exclusion RKCB 0314, then after a 5♦ bid, bid 5♥ to ask for the Q. That keeps you at game without the either, in small slam with the Q, and in grand with the A. Phew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Are we really sure 5C is exclusion? And I would be sure 4C is not a splinter, thats a normal bid with a 6-5 or 6-6 monster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Someone play the hand with a spade lead to the ace and a spade back. Gets a little dicey does it not? Looks to me like some entry issues to establish the club/heart squeeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 I don't think there is any psycke here, 4♠ should be enough enough? You think 4S could be set? I would bid 6S, risking a cold 7S (and going down for cold game only). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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