Curious Hand

[jdeegan]

[hv=d=n&v=b&s=skj10872ha84dc8652]133|100|Scoring: IMP

1♦-2♣-???[/hv]

:rolleyes: What now? Pass, double, 2♠ or what? What is your plan? I have no clue.

[Guest Jlall]

2SWTP

[jdonn]

It looks weird and surely isn't popular but I really think pass is good. Partner is likely to be short in clubs, and it will be easy to bid for the rest of the auction (p X p 4♠, or p 2♦ p 2♠, etc.) In the unlikely case partner does pass it out he most likely has three clubs and I may not regret passing anyway, as I get to defend with more trumps than they have instead of declaring with the singleton lead coming through partner's KJx. If I did bid 2♠ (double is ridiculous to me) and partner bid 3♦, I guess I'd have to bid 3♠ but I wouldn't be very happy with the situation.

 

Despite all that babbling, 2♠ is a far more popular choice and is completely fine.

[Fluffy]

if 2♠ is forcing then double looks like it.

 

Pass is interesting as well.

[whereagles]

2SWTP

my feelings exactly :)

[brianshark]

I'm not prepared to go to the 3-level with only 8 points and a void in partner's suit. This hand looks like a misfit. I'll pass. Easy 2♠ then if partner re-opens.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

2S.

 

Playing 2S as forcing, you are a little bit light,

playing 2S as non forcing, you are a bit heavy.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[marcD]

Since I play 2S forcing double is my only option. Pass is interesting but we could easily be cold for 4S and have partner pass with a moderate 4153. The only concern with double is what to do over 3D by partner either free bid or in competition : I guess i would bid 3S then

[Guest Jlall]

It looks weird and surely isn't popular but I really think pass is good. Partner is likely to be short in clubs, and it will be easy to bid for the rest of the auction (p X p 4♠, or p 2♦ p 2♠, etc.) In the unlikely case partner does pass it out he most likely has three clubs and I may not regret passing anyway, as I get to defend with more trumps than they have instead of declaring with the singleton lead coming through partner's KJx. If I did bid 2♠ (double is ridiculous to me) and partner bid 3♦, I guess I'd have to bid 3♠ but I wouldn't be very happy with the situation.

 

Despite all that babbling, 2♠ is a far more popular choice and is completely fine.

And if partner has short clubs and reopens with a X and you just miss a cold slam? Or will partner work out to play you for this when you cuebid and jump to 4S?

 

Or if partner reopens with 2D and you bid 2S and you miss a game because he doesn't raise since you've shown a bad hand?

 

It is impossible to catch up if you start with a pass. Besides why can't partner just have Axx xx KQxxx Axx? or Axx Kxx Axxx Qxx? or Qxxx Kxx Axxx KJ (I doubt he would reopen with this one). etc, etc there are a lot of weak NTs where he will pass it out and game is cold.

 

And to all the doublers I really don't understand your hand evaluation. If 2S is forcing then what's wrong with that? You have an invitational hand in spades. If partner happens to raise spades you have a great hand. You get your suit in immediately, and you stop things like partner jumping around in diamonds because you've made a negative X with a void in his suit, or jumping around in hearts in which case your constructive auction may become unmanagable.

[Fluffy]

I disagree Justin, void in partner's suit is not good. This is not worth invitational for me.

[skjaeran]

2♥ transfer.

If partner just accepts the transfer, by bidding 2♠, he'll have a singleton or doubleton and near minimum, so I'll pass. If he raises to 3♠ I'll raise to game. If partner get's more exited, I'll cooperate in a slam exploring auction.

 

Playing standard methods I'm stuck with 2♠ forcing.

[mike777]

2s one round force or not I got my bid. No problem yet.

[inquiry]

Even playing 2/1 GF, after the overcall, a 2♠ bid is forcing, but it is not game forcing. I would bid 2♠ and if partner bids 3♦ or 2NT, i would rebid 3♠. This auction is stronger than DBL then 3♠ over these bids, but not game force.

 

I can not imagine PASS no matter how cute we think that bid is. Second choice is double.

[pclayton]

I think this hand is worth an upgrade to 2♠ with the great suit, although there are 3 big strikes against it:

 

1. We are a little lite

2. We have weak length in RHO's suit

3. We have a void in pard's.

[whereagles]

I think this hand is worth an upgrade to 2♠ with the great suit, although there are 3 big strikes against it:

 

1. We are a little lite

2. We have weak length in RHO's suit

3. We have a void in pard's.

1. With a 6-4? Come on, be a bit optimistic :)

 

2. But makes pard short and that's good, no?

 

3. Ok that's bad. But other bids are way more misdescriptive :rolleyes:

[pclayton]

I think this hand is worth an upgrade to 2♠ with the great suit, although there are 3 big strikes against it:

 

1. We are a little lite

2. We have weak length in RHO's suit

3. We have a void in pard's.

1. With a 6-4? Come on, be a bit optimistic :)

 

2. But makes pard short and that's good, no?

 

3. Ok that's bad. But other bids are way more misdescriptive :rolleyes:

There's no guarantee pard is short in ♣'s. If pard holds ♣Kxx, ♣Kx, or Q - anything, it doesn't bode well.

 

I don't think Josh is that far off; if pard has shortness, he'll double which is really, really good news - it confirms a spade fit and it says we don't have a big problem in the club suit.

 

However, I still like 2♠. It expresses my values nicely, and pard can still raise (or even splinter) with the hands Josh is catering to if he passes. The only downside to 2♠ is we might get a little high on a misfit.

[jdonn]

And if partner has short clubs and reopens with a X and you just miss a cold slam? Or will partner work out to play you for this when you cuebid and jump to 4S?

 

Or if partner reopens with 2D and you bid 2S and you miss a game because he doesn't raise since you've shown a bad hand?

 

It is impossible to catch up if you start with a pass. Besides why can't partner just have Axx xx KQxxx Axx? or Axx Kxx Axxx Qxx? or Qxxx Kxx Axxx KJ (I doubt he would reopen with this one). etc, etc there are a lot of weak NTs where he will pass it out and game is cold.

 

True, if partner has short clubs and a hand not good enough to bid again when I jump two levels then we are 100% to have a slam. Likewise if he has long diamonds and a hand not good enough for a third bid we are 100% to have a game. Also I spent hours and hours, but simply could not construct a hand where bidding would get us too high! No matter how hard I tried, every hand partner could possibly hold had spade support to an honor, a nice fitting heart holding, and a diamond trick opposite my void. He also never held more than four diamonds (except when he holds two aces and a working doubleton outside). And on average for every three hands that he passes out he will hold 5 aces, 4 kings, 3 queens, 1 jack, and a 9.33 card spade fit. I think I'm beginning to see the light.

[Finch]

This is one of those hands where I would bid 2S whether or not it is forcing.

[jchiu]

2SWTP

You're playing some flavor of Moscito, wehre 1♦ shows 4+♥, 10-14 HCP, and may be canape :P

 

Seriously though, I had to reread this one to make sure that my anti-sleep drugs weren't playing a funny trick on me. Well, I'll go back to eating those caffeine pills like M&Ms ....

[inquiry]

I disagree Justin, void in partner's suit is not good. This is not worth invitational for me.

Give partner a minimum like

 

Axxx

Kxxx

Axxxx

void

 

how bad is your void in partner suit

[Fluffy]

void oppositte xxxx is something you can't call minimum, but well, if everyone says it's worth 2♠ I am probably wrong.

[gwnn]

2♠. This is one of the hands that are OK for negative free bids and forcing free bids also. I really like my club length, btw.

 

edit: I just saw Frances' post. sorry for the blatant plagariasm, but this is not the case, honestly :P

[dake50]

Having an attractive 6-card spade suit plus HA, I force. Maybe I regret it on a misfit hand, but this glass is half full with spades first!