glen Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 [hv=d=w&v=n&s=sakj9hdakqjt8742c]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] This is from Feb 07 Swiss Match, board 12 - the story on the board was the play, but I was wondering about the bidding - would you pass or redouble after: 1NT-2♣(majors, bid by Alvin Landy)-Pass-7♦(like your bid?)-Pass-Pass-Double-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Deleted (I thought that partner opened 1NT) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 The bidding was (1 NT) 2 ♣ (pass) 7 ♦ So my pd has the majors and not necessarily diamond support. So the guess is: Does he have the queen of spade? Or 5 Spades and the suit is breaking? Or 4 to the ten and the queen is doubleton? I like my odds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 No. I don't want anyone to change their mind and save in 7♥. Yes I know partner has shown ♥, but still I prefer my chances in 7♦X rather than 7♥X the other way as they might simply have a 5 - 4 fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Redouble has a lot of ways to win, and only one way to lose. If they beat you (-100 or -200), redoubled will not make much differnece (-200 or -400). You are not going down tons here. The big way it might lose is if 7♥ is a reasonable save, not that they are very likely to find that, but it is at least possible. I think there is a reasonable chance you will make 7♦ and the redouble rates to gain a lot more than it loses (if they don't bid 7♥). As it is, LHO either psyched a 1NT bid (unless it is weak variety) or RHO is void is spades. I don't think it was a psyche because RHO would have done something over 2♣ (double to show clubs most likely). It could be a psyche because partner has something for 2♣ and RHO made a penalty double. Give partner just 5 points for his 2♥ bid, you can account for 24 of the hcp between partner and yourself. How can RHO be doubling on one hcp? Or RHO is doubling hoping for a spade lead (LHO has four, partner has five, or LHO has three partner six). However, LHO will still have to guess, as he is likely long in hearts too. If you survive the spade ruff at trick one, partner may still need the spade queen for this hand to make. RHO will surely manage to give count in all the relevant suits as you run diamonds, so they should not misdefend. BTW, if you think about it long enough, you could and should talk yourself into bidding 7♠ here. East is PROBABLY doubling for a spade lead, suggesting he has a diamond (to ruff with) and a spade void. Unless partner bid 2♣ with four spades, you have a much better chance to make 7♠/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 yes I'd ship this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Redouble, if they (or my partner?) bid 7 hearts I'll try 7 spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Come on guys how can they try 7H? Partner has shown the majors and they couldn't even bid 2H. There is a 0% chance they are going to bid so the only question should be if you gain value by XXing or not. Nobody doubles a slam after not bidding even 2H and then speculatively runs to a suit partner has shown at the 7 level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Maybe Noth has clubs and forgot our convention :), but on that case I guess east wouln't double 7 diamonds. I am thinking more about this hand, we have 2x9 card fits, and LHO has 3 cards on one of them, if that is spades we are probably gonna have a loser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Dealer: West Vul: N/S Scoring: IMP ♠ AKJ9 ♥ [space] ♦ AKQJT8742 ♣ [space] This is from Feb 07 Swiss Match, board 12 - the story on the board was the play, but I was wondering about the bidding - would you pass or redouble after: 1NT-2♣(majors, bid by Alvin Landy)-Pass-7♦(like your bid?)-Pass-Pass-Double-? Is this Goulash? If so, I expect them to run to 7NT, partner (who is void in diamonds) picks a heart lead, and they pick up the suit for 13 tricks in clubs and hearts. I want to know what the X means. If means lead a club, I XX. If it means lead a spade, I'll switch to 7♠. It can't just be penalty...I know of 33 hcp between me and opener. Has to be lead directing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Howdy Doody on my left psyched 1N with 7 solid diamonds. Redoubled grands give nice odds; 2330 to 2660 versus 200 to 400. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Howdy Doody on my left psyched 1N with 7 solid diamonds. Redoubled grands give nice odds; 2330 to 2660 versus 200 to 400. With 16 diamonds in the deck, I doubt that any result would stand. But a psyche with a lot of club make sense due to the lack of a doouble of 2♣ by RHO or some club preempt by RHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Howdy Doody on my left psyched 1N with 7 solid diamonds. Redoubled grands give nice odds; 2330 to 2660 versus 200 to 400. With 16 diamonds in the deck, I doubt that any result would stand. But a psyche with a lot of club make sense due to the lack of a doouble of 2♣ by RHO or some club preempt by RHO LOL; haven't had my coffee yet. How about 7 clubs on my left? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Come on guys how can they try 7H? Even if they do, you can also try 7♠ :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted March 1, 2007 Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 Absolutely redouble, I want blood. Will virtually never be down more than one so it has almost nothing to lose, and even if RHO does have a spade void LHO may have at least as many hearts as spades and so make the wrong lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted March 1, 2007 Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 Deleted zzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillHiggin Posted March 1, 2007 Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 Perhaps "monkey" should have been an option! The question "Do you like this bid" has much more pertinence.If 7♦ makes and they bid a makeable grand at the other table, xx can gain 6 or 7 IMPs.If you are destined to lose a spade trick and the other table bids some failing contract, xx risks 4 IMPs.If they bid a making small slam at the other table, then the quality of your choice of grand may win 17 or lose 14, and xx will add 1 IMP to either swing.If 7♦ makes and they bid a failing contract at the other table, you win 20 IMPs and gain one more by redoubling.If a spade ruff beats 7♦ and they bid and make a grand at the other table, you lose 20 IMPs and xx adds just one more. Ever so much more rests on the choice of contract than on redouble. I am still trying to figure out how there can be a play of hand story to 7♦.I can see a play of hand story in 7♠ with dummy tapped at trick one, Alvin holding ♠Qxxxx and the suit splitting 4-0 (making if East holds at least as many diamonds as North). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen Posted March 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 Btw, in the story, the hand passed the double, and then partner with ♠ QT87 ♥ KJxxxx --- ♣ Jxx, bid 7♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillHiggin Posted March 1, 2007 Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 Btw, in the story, the hand passed the double, and then partner with ♠ QT87 ♥ KJxxxx --- ♣ Jxx, bid 7♥. He has probably seen what you like to open 3N on ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen Posted March 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 He has probably seen what you like to open 3N on :) And he would be right that I would have less, since I would redouble on this one, my only problems being to do in tempo and to not to look at the back of the 7♦ bidding card until the hand was over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 redouble has never been my favorite call, and same for this hand. Directly bid at 7 level would never expect pd to "correct" to other suit, void or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Btw, in the story, the hand passed the double, and then partner with ♠ QT87 ♥ KJxxxx --- ♣ Jxx, bid 7♥. I would bid 7S over pd 7H and might say bye-bye after this hand. directly bidding at 7 level would never expect pd to "correct" to other suit, void or not in my suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nik1998 Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 RDBL because I think 7♦= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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