jdeegan Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 :) I generated 100 hands using a loose screen and Pavlicek's random generator. From this I winnowed it down to 49 hands that fit the bidding. As is often the case with forum hands, the choice between alternatives (passing or 2♣ in this case) was fairly close. According to my (admittedly imperfect) analysis, bidding 2♣ was a winner 26 times and a loser 15 times with eight cases essentially even. 2♣ was a big winner five times (club and NT games) and a big loser five times (three heart games). Observations:1) wide variety of outcomes - no one or two consistent themes2) the big swings are about even3) better to balance with 2♣ against strong club systems and WJS opponents4) worse to balance against old fashioned Eastern Scientific players who open 1♠ with heavy two suited hands5) on about one third of the hands' outcome depends on skill of players - better to balance vs weaker players - poor play of 1♠ less a factor than opponent's poor competitive bidding and defense versus your contract. Complicate the hand against lesser opponents. One potential double game swing hand showed up.[hv=d=w&v=b&n=saj102ha75d3c109832&w=skq986hj10864dakck&e=s3hq932dq987642c7&s=s754hkdj105caqj654]399|300|Scoring: IMP1♠-P-P-2♣[/hv] Would you find the stiff king of clubs offside? Or the diamond ruff versus 4♥? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Way too subjective regarding some hands that north would pass on and many hands that east would pass on. Many easts would respond on this hand for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Maybe not the diamond ruff, but I bet I would take my 4 top tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Of course I would drop the king when RHO passes 1♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted February 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Maybe not the diamond ruff, but I bet I would take my 4 top tricks.:) Oooops, transcribed the wrong hand.[hv=d=w&v=b&n=saha98642d98c10872&w=skqj96h10dakq742ck&e=s10832hqj753d863c93&s=s754hkdj105caqj654]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Some might not open the West hand for 1♠. Others might bid with the North hand. The subjective nature of this type of analysis makes it much more useful to the analyst than to anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Uhm, I would think most would not open a 3-loser hand with 6 great diamonds and 5 spades 1♠. And I don't know anyone beyond beginner's who would pass 1♠ with the East hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Uhm, I would think most would not open a 3-loser hand with 6 great diamonds and 5 spades 1♠. And I don't know anyone beyond beginner's who would pass 1♠ with the East hand. I wouldnt pass the East hand. I would call the director, since I have 14 cards. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 There's a known technical bug with pavlicek's generator. The hands it gives are more freak than the theoretical odds predict. Unless pavlicek corrected the bug, your simulation is statisticall wrong :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcD Posted March 1, 2007 Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 For whatever it's worth i would pass since there is a fair chance than the opponents are cold for 4H. If i were to balance I think 3C better desribes my hand (provided it is natural :)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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