jillybean Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 [hv=d=e&s=s109876hxxxdxxcqxx]133|100|(P) P (P) 2nt(P) ?[/hv] Do you pass or transfer to 3♠, is it close? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I would transfer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I would transfer as what ever pard has he must have 2spades with my 6 cards and that has to be better than pass IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 You only have five spades, Wayne, but I would still transfer. However, there is no guarantee that 3♠ is a better contract than 2NT. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Transfer, and it is close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I would transfer. The reasons to transfer are two: 1. Your hand is close to worthless in notrump, unless partner has a big ♠ fit. You have little realistic chance of establishing the ♠s and then getting to your hand to run them. Yes, it is possible that partner has AKx and the side Q is an entry, but that is pretty specific. So your hand rates to deliver more tricks with ♠ as trump than at notrump. Add to this the control the trump suit gives you: say partner has AQx AKJx Qxx KJx and they lead ♦s.. in notrump, they simply cash as many winners as they hold. In ♠s, you ruff to minimimze the loss. 2. Partner may have a wonderful hand in ♠s and be able to superaccept. If he holds AQxx AKxx Axx Kx, for example, passing 2N risks missing a pretty good game contract. Of course, this could backfire... you may reach a very poor game but that will happen only when partner has 4♠s, and even then, 4♠ -1 may well push or exceed the result in 2N. The reason to pass is that partner may have a source of tricks in notrump and a poor trump holding. Qx KQ10x KQx AKJxx... you may make 2N while 3♠ fails. I read, long ago, an article by Larry Cohen (if memeory serves) in which he said that he always transfered if the decision would seem to be close. That way, because he had a rule, he didn't ever engage in second-guessing himself or risk zigging when he should be zagging. He'd thought about it and decided that transfering was best, so he didn't have to think about it again. I have adopted that rule and never regretted it, even when pass would have been better on the actual deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I always transfer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I transfer. I also reach across the table and take the 4♠ card out of his bidding box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Jillybean, you have bridgebrowser, so this one is an easy study. Select opening bid of 2NT, select partenr with a hand pattern with a five card major, no honor, and 5332 distribution with 0, 1, or 2 hcp. And see how 2NT versus 3 of the major faired. This search is easy and quick. It is true, some good players will play 2NT when their partners pass and some poor players will play 3M when their partners transfer, but you can find thousands of such plays if you search across Bridgebrowser databases. My guess is not passing 2NT will be a clear winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Transfer. This is one of the hand types transfers were meant to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I transfer. I also reach across the table and take the 4♠ card out of his bidding box. Then I guess your partner super accepts too much :unsure: I would be quite happy if he super accepted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I read, long ago, an article by Larry Cohen (if memeory serves) in which he said that he always transfered if the decision would seem to be close. That way, because he had a rule, he didn't ever engage in second-guessing himself or risk zigging when he should be zagging. He'd thought about it and decided that transfering was best, so he didn't have to think about it again. I have adopted that rule and never regretted it, even when pass would have been better on the actual deal. What I remember is from not so long ago. It was a comment in the MSC, and he said he tried guessing for a while, kept track of his results, and never got better than 50% when passing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I read, long ago, an article by Larry Cohen (if memeory serves) in which he said that he always transfered if the decision would seem to be close. That way, because he had a rule, he didn't ever engage in second-guessing himself or risk zigging when he should be zagging. He'd thought about it and decided that transfering was best, so he didn't have to think about it again. I have adopted that rule and never regretted it, even when pass would have been better on the actual deal. What I remember is from not so long ago. It was a comment in the MSC, and he said he tried guessing for a while, kept track of his results, and never got better than 50% when passing. Bridgebrowser online is down right now (a rare occurance). Maybe new data is being added (I hope). When it comes back up, I will run a test. Opening bid 2NT with 20 to 22 hcp, next hand 0-2 hcp, 5332 with a five card major with no AKQ or J. How does pass 2NT result? To do this, I will define the opening bid as 2NT with balanced or semibalanced and the indicated pt count range. Responder will be forced to have 5332 distribution, each minor suit either 2 or 3 cards long, a major headed by no more than the Ten, and from 0 to 2 hcp. We will see how 2NT fairs compared to the transfer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 [hv=d=e&s=s109876hxxxdxxcqxx]133|100|(P) P (P) 2nt(P) ?[/hv] Do you pass or transfer to 3♠, is it close? I thought I read somewhere where Hamman or Soloway or both said they always tfr with a doublton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 [hv=d=e&s=s109876hxxxdxxcqxx]133|100|(P) P (P) 2nt(P) ?[/hv] Do you pass or transfer to 3♠, is it close? I thought I read somewhere where Hamman or Soloway or both said they always tfr with a doublton. Wouldn't that be 100 % of the time they have a 5 card suit (unless you're implying they pass with a stiff lol). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTired Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I thought I read somewhere where Hamman or Soloway or both said they always tfr with a doublton. I agree... I never transfer with that 5333 pattern :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 BTW Ben, I think 0 points is different than a queen. With a queen you may have a game opposite a super accept (afterall a super accept should say "I think we'll make game on a lot of hands where you will pass 3S out"). On the other hand with a queen you may make 2N without spades, but with 0 points you will pretty much never make 2N so you need to transfer out and hope you catch a fit and get lucky and make 3S. Different considerations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 BTW Ben, I think 0 points is different than a queen. With a queen you may have a game opposite a super accept (afterall a super accept should say "I think we'll make game on a lot of hands where you will pass 3S out"). On the other hand with a queen you may make 2N without spades, but with 0 points you will pretty much never make 2N so you need to transfer out and hope you catch a fit and get lucky and make 3S. Different considerations. ^^^^ Ok I will do 2 pts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I'll transfer......but I'm not redoubling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Transfer and no, it is not close. This hand is near worthless. The S can be a source of tricks in a S contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 I would transfer ditto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted February 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 [hv=d=s&v=e&n=s432hajt64d72c653&w=st9876h972d93cqt2&e=skjhkq5dakqj4ck74&s=saq5h83dt865caj98]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South - - - Pass Pass Pass 2NT Pass 3♥ Dbl 3♠ Pass Pass Pass H8 H2 HA H5 D7 DA D6 D3 SK SA S6 S2 D5 D9 D2 DK SJ SQ S7 S3 D8 C2 S4 D4 C3 C4 CA CT H3 After the hand my partner left after making a not so pleasant comment about going to the 3 level with 2 points ;) Ruffing the ♦ looks like a good move here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Instead of complaining your (ex)partner should have concentrated on making the contract RHO gave him at trick 1. When North won ♥A, it was over for the defence. If he ducks, 3♠ is 1 down. No matter what, East had no reason at all to blame you. Your bid was fine, his declarer play was less than perfect. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhais Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 ;) transfer to 3s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Transfer, the given hand is one reason,why it makes sense to play transfer. You dont even mind, if partner breaks the transfer. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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