Fluffy Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 MP, N-S vulnerable ♠♥QJxxxxx♦9xxx♣Jx W - N - E - S1♣- X-1♠-4♥4♠- X -ps-?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 -Partner should know I have long hearts and no points. -Partner has long (4 or on a lucky day 5) spades. The auction suggests this is a Big Misfit. Let's let opps play it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 You hold 7♥'s and partner choose to dbl 1♣, so he should not have a ♥ void, so your side has a ♥ fit with 9-10 cards. It is also likely that we have a ♦ fit too.Opps will have a (double-) fit somewhere too, so the auction does not suggest that opps have a misfit.Partner may hold something like 3352, 4450 or maybe 4252.Any ♥ trick he may expect won't happen, and opps hold more ♠'s that he might expect. Opps are very likely very unbalanced so there is a big risk, they can make 4♠. So I'll bid 5♥ in the given situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I also bid 5♥ because it's a distributional hand, "bid one more". I can't even lead trumps in 4♠, and I don't see an easy way defeating that contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Hi, 5H, but given the vulnerability and that you playMP it is close. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 One of the most obvious 5♥ bids I've came across :angry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiBridge Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Also one of the silliest 4♥ bids I've ever come across. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 "Partner should know I have long hearts and no points. -Partner has long (4 or on a lucky day 5) spades. The auction suggests this is a Big Misfit. Let's let opps play it." Agree. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BebopKid Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 In my partnerships, 4♥ overcall of a 1 level bid would have promised 8 hearts. I would have bid 3♥ I would pass after the double of 4♠. My partners would not expect me to bid over that double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 "In my partnerships, 4♥ overcall of a 1 level bid would have promised 8 hearts. I would have bid 3♥" Even if that "one level bid" is a double? Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I find some of these answers weird. 1) The 4H bid is a standout after the X.2) Pd has heard my bid and elected to X. He knows what I have and he has warned me not to bid on. Do I want to continue to partner this player or not? I have a pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goobers Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 What's wrong with pass? You told partner that you have a useless hand outside of hearts... if he wanted 5♥, he would bid it himself, but he chose to double instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 2) Pd has heard my bid and elected to X. He knows what I have and he has warned me not to bid on. Do I want to continue to partner this player or not? I have a pass. Unless you have a specific agreement that 4♥ here shows a hand just like the one you have, I'd be very surprised if pard could guess your actual hand correctly. Why couldn't you have, for instance, the much more defensive hand.. xKxxxxxQxxQxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 I like the 4♥ call. Partner usually doesn't have a pure double of 4♠ on this bidding, and I think he has a right to expect more than a 7-4 and QJ-J for this bidding. We'd certainly make the same bid with say, AJ-6th of hearts and an outside King. I'm pulling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 I like the 4♥ call. Partner usually doesn't have a pure double of 4♠ on this bidding, and I think he has a right to expect more than a 7-4 and QJ-J for this bidding. We'd certainly make the same bid with say, AJ-6th of hearts and an outside King. I'm pulling. I agree. If partner needs to have 4♠ beat in his own hand opposite my actual hand, the opps will be playing a lot of undoubled contracts when I hold slightly more defensive values. His double of 4♠ involves me in the decision, altho I need a compelling reason to pull. I would/should leave it in with a defensive trick.. a value he is entitled to and should play me for. I don't have it... so I pull. This will lead to the occasional disaster, but passing will lead to a different disaster even more often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 I would pass but I'm not really sure, I would pull at other vulnerabilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BebopKid Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 "In my partnerships, 4♥ overcall of a 1 level bid would have promised 8 hearts. I would have bid 3♥" Even if that "one level bid" is a double? Peter Oops, I missed partner's double. I thought partner passed first round. 4♥ is good bid. I'd still pass after the given auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmunte1 Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 -I'll pass if double is for penality. I expect partner to have 2 trump tricks. If 4♠ makes, 5♥ probably will go down 2. I don't want to change -590 in -500, and overule partner.-If double shows just extra values and asks partner to make a choice, the obvious choice is 5♥ I play double in this position for penality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 1, 2007 Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 I like the 4♥ call. Partner usually doesn't have a pure double of 4♠ on this bidding, and I think he has a right to expect more than a 7-4 and QJ-J for this bidding. We'd certainly make the same bid with say, AJ-6th of hearts and an outside King. I'm pulling. I agree that 4 Heart can be made with hands like the actual example or with hands with more defensive power. But Pd had three possible bids after4 Spade: 5 HEart: We surely want to play 5 HeartX: We don´t want to play 5 Heartspass: You decide. I have my take out double of 1 Club, so I have 4 (maybe 3) Spades and 4 (maybe 3) HEarts. What shall we do now? Playing 4 Spade, 4 Spade X or 5 Heart? So with a hand with just two or three defensive tricks Partner will wait for your double with the ace of Heart and an outside king. An if he wanted you to bid 5 Heart with the actual hand, he had passed too. But he did not ask you. He made a statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted March 1, 2007 Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 I like the 4♥ call. Partner usually doesn't have a pure double of 4♠ on this bidding, and I think he has a right to expect more than a 7-4 and QJ-J for this bidding. We'd certainly make the same bid with say, AJ-6th of hearts and an outside King. I'm pulling. I agree that 4 Heart can be made with hands like the actual example or with hands with more defensive power. But Pd had three possible bids after4 Spade: 5 HEart: We surely want to play 5 HeartX: We don´t want to play 5 Heartspass: You decide. I have my take out double of 1 Club, so I have 4 (maybe 3) Spades and 4 (maybe 3) HEarts. What shall we do now? Playing 4 Spade, 4 Spade X or 5 Heart? So with a hand with just two or three defensive tricks Partner will wait for your double with the ace of Heart and an outside king. An if he wanted you to bid 5 Heart with the actual hand, he had passed too. But he did not ask you. He made a statement. Yes, but he made a statement based upon the information he has been given by me. My hand has zero tricks on defense and he may be expecting 1 to 1 1/2. My hand also has extra trump length that partner is not aware of, and my hand indicates that the opponents are likely to hold extra trump length in their suit than the auction has disclosed. So even though partner has said he thinks it is best to defend, doesn't mean that I should stop looking at my hand or listening to the auction, and just blindly pass. Partner is quite likely counting the AK of hearts for between one and two tricks as part of his double. It is entirely probable that we are taking zero heart tricks. So there is merit in at least considering pulling the double to 5H. I'm inclined to leave this one in though. My weak hand combined with partners original double (indicating spade tolerance) and my spade void leaves me with the impression that partner is strong with good spades. I pass. For all we know, partner has 5 spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted March 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 [hv=d=.&v=n&n=saqxxxha10xxdkckxx&w=skjxxhdqxxcaq1098x&e=s109xxhkxdaj10xxc10x&s=shqjxxxxxd9xxxcjx]399|300|[/hv] This is probably not the hand you would normally expect, sad history of this deal is North tried a 'smart' tempo thinking before double of 4♠ so partner wouldn't pull, of course south was not on the same wavelenght and bid 5♥ in half a second probably based on partner's thinking. Worst of all was me who lead a stupid spade wich led to -850 :(. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Fluffy, you've beaten me to it.I was about to say that this is a typical UI auction: partner doubles fast and furiously, and we pass. Partner doubles slowly and tentatively, and we pull. The voting shows that either is a LA (FWIW I passed, with the same thoughts as Justin). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 I knew by bidding 4H I would goad opponents into 4S, and partner would have S-values for his TOdbl. So I sit for 4Sx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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