cnszsun Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 I had this bidding sequence today, but not sure what's the common understanding. 1♣-(ps)-1♥-(2♦);2♠- Is 2♠ a reverse bid, or slight extra or just distributional, or no extra needed, 4♠s enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 It should show reverse strength, there is a REASON a reverse needs that strength: You force partner on the 3-level to support your first suit. Same reason here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 There are a few other factors that suggest strength, beyond simply forcing the three-level to return to clubs. That issue (forcing the three level) is not usually compelling "proof" for many people, because we force this decision all the time with extremely meager values in competitive auctions. One additional reason is that the already-announced strength protects partner in pass-out seat to be aggressive. This direct action is not as necessary as a traditional obar or similar competitive action by a person who has not yet shown anything. It is more akin to doubling again or bidding again not in pass-out seat after having already made a takeout double. Second, for some, the double might be of a negative variety. If you do not play support doubl4es, or if this auction merits that the double show spades instead, then 2♠ necessarily shows extras. That is probably a minority view. The third is a philosophical one. The general philosophy seems to be that the opening side often defaults to protection of strength-showing actions in competitive auctions to protect game-seeking integrity against preemption and interference, whereas the overcalling side defaults to interference and competition without as much concern dedicated to game exploration. Thus, the default seems to be for Opener to favor the nature of 2♠ as strong to facilitate game searches rather than allowing a patterning out for maximizing competitive aspects of the auction. Of course, I may be wrong in all this, as I often do not get or know conventional wisdom. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 I had this bidding sequence today, but not sure what's the common understanding. 1♣-(ps)-1♥-(2♦);2♠- Is 2♠ a reverse bid, or slight extra or just distributional, or no extra needed, 4♠s enough? If X would be a support double, I don't see how 2♠ can show bona-fide reverse strength. Lots of hands without hearts won't have a better bid. It should show exactly 4 spades, and, I dunno, 14+ hcp or so. Now I'll get told that no sober expert would bid 2♠ with: AKxxxxxxAKxxx It won't be the first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 If X would be a support double, I don't see how 2♠ can show bona-fide reverse strength. Lots of hands without hearts won't have a better bid. It should show exactly 4 spades, and, I dunno, 14+ hcp or so. Now I'll get told that no sober expert would bid 2♠ with: AKxxxxxxAKxxx It won't be the first time. Even with your perfect 14 count and good shape, it's still not qualified for 2S rebid. 2S at this position has to be a reverse. pd still has the chance to bid, doesn't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 Still a reverse. If playing support Xs you can pass with a min hand. Pd is always there to reopen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 Even with your perfect 14 count and good shape, it's still not qualified for 2S rebid. 2S at this position has to be a reverse. pd still has the chance to bid, doesn't he? It would have to be a heck of a 14 count. But my point was, the range for your opener was so wide that I don't think you can afford to wait for partner to reopen if you're in the middle range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 Its a reverse and its forcing. 3♠ would be a splinter. Weaker hands with 4♠ just pass and bid spades after pard's balance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 Hi, depends on agreements, it should show distribution,i.e. 5-4 and add. strength, but his does not necessarilymean 2S is forcing. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 Now I'll get told that no sober expert would bid 2♠ with: AKxxxxxxAKxxx It won't be the first time. You are right, no sober expert would do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 I disagree with that. 2♠ is a perfectly viable bid, though a tad risky due to the danger of misfit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 Now I'll get told that no sober expert would bid 2♠ with: AKxxxxxxAKxxxA lot of experts would do just that (not sure how sobber they are, though). THe discussion was in IMPs (Dutch magazine for experts) Forum a couple of years ago. Several panel members thought that a reverse in competition should be based on O/D ratio rather than overall strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 I would be more worried to pass with KQJxxx and KQxx than AKxxx AKxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 It shows a reverse, if 2♠ could be on a minimum then how would extra strength be shown? On the AKxx x xxx AKxxx 2♠ would clearly be an overbid, but not a huge one considering the nature of the "14 points", and I have to admit it could strike gold if partner is pretty weak with 4 spades. Of course it's still a bad bid since partner bidding 3NT or 3/4♥ or just being something like a weak 2542 could be a disaster, but I'm not so stubborn as to admit it couldn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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