microcap Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 You get dealt this interesting collection in third hand. Another pleasant surprise is when partner opens 1♥! RHO passes. What is your first bid and your plan? :D [hv=d=n&v=n&s=s6hq7542dakq1095c4]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 We have a great fit in a major so there is no need to talk about my diamonds.But we need to know about wasted values in the black suits. If partner has to much of them this could even endanger 4♥.So telling about my shortage in ♠ is the first step to game,slam or grand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 I bid 4NT. Basically the level at which we play depends only on the number of key cards partner has. 2 --> 5♥3 --> 6♥4 --> 7♥ (at MP I would like to know if he has some ♦ so I might bid 7NT) only 1 KC --> maybe opps make 4♠ :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 I don't bid 4NT as I don't play 1M-4NT as keycard blackwood (if i did,that would be my choice). Typically, I make a 2/1 then raise with this pattern, but what I want to know is about keycards. So I will very uncharacteristically start with 2NT planning on a 4NT rebid unless partner signs off in 4♥ (In which case I think we will be missing at least two of the unseen 4 keycards). So for me 2NT followed by 4NT... forced by system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillHiggin Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 4N would be ok IF it were RKC. It is vanilla Blackwood - you must use some forcing raise first (by most standard agreements) to turn on RKC. I choose to bid 2D (game forcing), then support hearts, then pull out the RKC cannon. The choice here is mainly based on a habit of showing a raise with a side suit as a source of tricks. But that is not so critical when I have a hand that clearly calls for captaincy. Beginning with Jacoby 2N (or whatever flavor of forcing raise you agreed on) followed by RKC also works. It might be better if it gives partner a chance to show a diamond void now (diamond void and 2 key cards would be an embarassing response issue with RKC). Pick a splinter seems poorest - key cards tell the story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Hi, 4NT, I will get all informtionI need from the answers. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 On a really, really bad day, your partner will hold, KQJJT9xxJxKQJ, and on a bad day, KQxJT9xxxAQx And if we cn come up with hands with ZERO and ONE keycard, it might be possible to draw us some with two where they have teh ace of trumps and can manage one or two diamond ruffs... to go with their two quick tricks. So what I am suggesting, is that while the consensus is to bid 4NT as RKCB either immediately or after a forcing raise of some sort, the five level is not all that safe. I can imagine after a 0 or 3 response with the first hand or a 1 or 4 response with the second hand, a cautious 5♥ should be bid. With 3 (or more) keycards, Opener is not allowed to pass this 5♥ bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microcap Posted February 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 On a really, really bad day, your partner will hold, KQJJT9xxJxKQJ, and on a bad day, KQxJT9xxxAQx And if we cn come up with hands with ZERO and ONE keycard, it might be possible to draw us some with two where they have teh ace of trumps and can manage one or two diamond ruffs... to go with their two quick tricks. So what I am suggesting, is that while the consensus is to bid 4NT as RKCB either immediately or after a forcing raise of some sort, the five level is not all that safe. I can imagine after a 0 or 3 response with the first hand or a 1 or 4 response with the second hand, a cautious 5♥ should be bid. With 3 (or more) keycards, Opener is not allowed to pass this 5♥ bid. But on a better day, you will have 13 cards in the second hand! LOL B) :D BTW, hand 1 is a 1NT for Rex and me so that does make it simpler for us, though not strong NT pairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 1M-4N is commonly played as blackwood not keycard. I would start with 2N jacoby planning on bidding keycard next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 blackwood (as you call 4 keycard bw) is not part of my system, so 4Nt is good enough for me :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 I would just respond 4NT now, regular blackwood. A minor concern is I will mention in passing is I am worried about the opponents getting together for a save in a black suit if I bid 2NT first to set up keycard. But my real reason is that the combination of the opponents leading the wrong black suit on the tons of hands where partner has AK/AQ of one and no ace of the other, and of us not losing a trick to the king of hearts if we are missing it (maybe partner has 6 to the ace, 7 to the ace, 6 off the A-K splitting 1-1, or most likely simply a finesse) convinces me to just take a chance. Of course since I am going out on a limb somewhat, I would have no problem with partner bidding 2NT first so he can bid keycard next. But hey, take a chance :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 4NT and grand slam force if 3A, even Malowon 6C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microcap Posted February 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 I am surprised at the number of responses for 2♦, which i think is clearly wrong. This hand will be declared in ♥, and I think you are much better off supporting with support immediately. At the table, I bid 2NT Jacoby, with my next bid planning to be 4♠ kickback for key cards. I can sympathize with the 4NT bidders, which I believe to be regular Blackwood. But I forgot to factor in those pesky opponents, who bid 3♠ after me. Rex bid 4♠ kickback, then RHO bids 5♠. Then I forgot we were playing DOP1 and cost us tons of imps :( > In the other room, he splintered 3♠, which had the salutary effect of preventing opps from bidding it! They cruised into the easy 6♥. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goobers Posted February 22, 2007 Report Share Posted February 22, 2007 Wait, how would they fail to bid spades if it was splintered? Wouldn't it have been bid more readily? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 I think anything apart from 2D is clearly wrong. 2D is a standout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microcap Posted February 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 At the colors, opps threw in a lead directing 3S bid. Over the 3S splinter, he really didnt have enough to bid 4S as there is no certainty opps have a slam at that point. After all, he was looking at the Ace of Trump! The other table could have doubled the 3S bid but didnt. Hog, what is your reasoning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 Firstly anyone who decides to splinter is foolish. What are you going to splinter in? Why bother splintering?4NT even IF KC is flawed. What if pd has Kxxxx Axx xx Axx. Slam is ok but not great. I play it as BW not KC btw.A 2D bid allows for easy development of the auction. If the opps don't interfere, I can set H, follow up with serious/frivolous or whatever and explore. If they do intervene, the would have done so anyway, and I'll decide what to do when I see the level they bid at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 We ONLY need to know keycards. If I have some sort of gadget that enables me to ask for keycards below 4NT, I'll use it. If not, I'll just bid 4NT and hope for the best. Not the safest of auctions, I agree. But sure is the clearest of all and if pard happens to have the keys we need, we're in excellent shape to bid 5, 6 or even 7♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 I am surprised at the number of responses for 2♦, which i think is clearly wrong. This hand will be declared in ♥, and I think you are much better off supporting with support immediately. At the table, I bid 2NT Jacoby, with my next bid planning to be 4♠ kickback for key cards. I can sympathize with the 4NT bidders, which I believe to be regular Blackwood. But I forgot to factor in those pesky opponents, who bid 3♠ after me. Rex bid 4♠ kickback, then RHO bids 5♠. Then I forgot we were playing DOP1 and cost us tons of imps :P > In the other room, he splintered 3♠, which had the salutary effect of preventing opps from bidding it! They cruised into the easy 6♥. :) And I think 2N is clearly wrong. But I am not a fan of bidding Jacoby 2N on distributional hands and realize that others may have no problem with it. To each their own. Splintering 3S may work, but then again, maybe its the club shortness that would get partner excited.....so splintering with two stiffs isnt an option for me either. 2♦ is game force. Thats all you need. Second choice would be 4N......and I think it should be RKC. But I always treat ambiguous 4N bids where no suit has been explicitly agreed as agreeing the last bid suit. I can't really think of a good reason for 1M-4N not to agree the major....but I suppose somebody has one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 What if pd has Kxxxx Axx xx Axx. Slam is ok but not great. Partner opened 1♥, not 1♠, if he has majors reversed I think slam is very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 I've never considered this, but if you play 1 major - 4N as vanilla 0-4,1,2,3, what is a subsequent 5N? Is it # of kings or specific? Without discussion, I would assume specific. What does pard do with no kings, since hearts haven't been agreed? :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 1M-4N is commonly played as blackwood not keycard. I would start with 2N jacoby planning on bidding keycard next. I hear you, butI have always played thatWhen partner launches an "out-of-the-blue" 4NT after a suit bid (when is clearly not quantitative)We still play rkc, and treat the last natural bid as theTrump suit for now, including showing K & Q.Unless a suit has been agreed upon.Simplistic? Perhaps.Is this the Expert way? Probably not.Do I have any really well established partnerships at this time that have discussed more intricate ways? No.Does it work? So far, so good.Can I count to 13? No! DHL :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiste1 Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 2NT Jacoby is my bid. The only important thing here is to show partner what is the trump. I dont understand the 2♦ bidders, because the opps will/can disturbed our bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 I don´t understand these "I don´t understand" statements.Obviously any sequence has its flaws.2 Diamond is the most easiest to disturb.2 NT with unbalanced hands is sometimes not too easy to handle and surely an invitation to disturb you with a 3 Spade bid. Splinters may show the "wrong" splinter for pd to get excited and surely 3 Spade will lead to some lead directing doubles and bids too.4 NT is plain Blackwood for many and you must hope that pd does not show 2 Aces... In the actual hand, the slam was missed, because one player forgot about dopi. It was not missed because of the opponents bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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