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  1. 1. What is your first response?

    • 2D
      14
    • 2NT [Jacoby]
      12
    • 3D
      0
    • 3S [splinter]
      8
    • 4C [splinter]
      0
    • 4NT
      15
    • other
      0


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We have a great fit in a major so there is no need to talk about my diamonds.

But we need to know about wasted values in the black suits. If partner has to much of them this could even endanger 4.

So telling about my shortage in is the first step to game,slam or grand.

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I bid 4NT. Basically the level at which we play depends only on the number of key cards partner has.

 

2 --> 5

3 --> 6

4 --> 7 (at MP I would like to know if he has some so I might bid 7NT)

 

only 1 KC --> maybe opps make 4 :D

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I don't bid 4NT as I don't play 1M-4NT as keycard blackwood (if i did,that would be my choice). Typically, I make a 2/1 then raise with this pattern, but what I want to know is about keycards. So I will very uncharacteristically start with 2NT planning on a 4NT rebid unless partner signs off in 4 (In which case I think we will be missing at least two of the unseen 4 keycards).

 

So for me 2NT followed by 4NT... forced by system.

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4N would be ok IF it were RKC. It is vanilla Blackwood - you must use some forcing raise first (by most standard agreements) to turn on RKC.

 

I choose to bid 2D (game forcing), then support hearts, then pull out the RKC cannon. The choice here is mainly based on a habit of showing a raise with a side suit as a source of tricks. But that is not so critical when I have a hand that clearly calls for captaincy.

 

Beginning with Jacoby 2N (or whatever flavor of forcing raise you agreed on) followed by RKC also works. It might be better if it gives partner a chance to show a diamond void now (diamond void and 2 key cards would be an embarassing response issue with RKC).

 

Pick a splinter seems poorest - key cards tell the story.

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On a really, really bad day, your partner will hold,

 

KQJ

JT9xx

Jx

KQJ,

 

and on a bad day,

 

KQx

JT9xx

x

AQx

 

And if we cn come up with hands with ZERO and ONE keycard, it might be possible to draw us some with two where they have teh ace of trumps and can manage one or two diamond ruffs... to go with their two quick tricks.

 

So what I am suggesting, is that while the consensus is to bid 4NT as RKCB either immediately or after a forcing raise of some sort, the five level is not all that safe. I can imagine after a 0 or 3 response with the first hand or a 1 or 4 response with the second hand, a cautious 5 should be bid. With 3 (or more) keycards, Opener is not allowed to pass this 5 bid.

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On a really, really bad day, your partner will hold,

 

KQJ

JT9xx

Jx

KQJ,

 

and on a bad day,

 

KQx

JT9xx

x

AQx

 

And if we cn come up with hands with ZERO and ONE keycard, it might be possible to draw us some with two where they have teh ace of trumps and can manage one or two diamond ruffs... to go with their two quick tricks.

 

So what I am suggesting, is that while the consensus is to bid 4NT as RKCB either immediately or after a forcing raise of some sort, the five level is not all that safe. I can imagine after a 0 or 3 response with the first hand or a 1 or 4 response with the second hand, a cautious 5 should be bid. With 3 (or more) keycards, Opener is not allowed to pass this 5 bid.

But on a better day, you will have 13 cards in the second hand! LOL B) :D

 

BTW, hand 1 is a 1NT for Rex and me so that does make it simpler for us, though not strong NT pairs.

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I would just respond 4NT now, regular blackwood. A minor concern is I will mention in passing is I am worried about the opponents getting together for a save in a black suit if I bid 2NT first to set up keycard. But my real reason is that the combination of the opponents leading the wrong black suit on the tons of hands where partner has AK/AQ of one and no ace of the other, and of us not losing a trick to the king of hearts if we are missing it (maybe partner has 6 to the ace, 7 to the ace, 6 off the A-K splitting 1-1, or most likely simply a finesse) convinces me to just take a chance.

 

Of course since I am going out on a limb somewhat, I would have no problem with partner bidding 2NT first so he can bid keycard next. But hey, take a chance :rolleyes:

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I am surprised at the number of responses for 2, which i think is clearly wrong. This hand will be declared in , and I think you are much better off supporting with support immediately.

 

At the table, I bid 2NT Jacoby, with my next bid planning to be 4 kickback for key cards. I can sympathize with the 4NT bidders, which I believe to be regular Blackwood.

 

But I forgot to factor in those pesky opponents, who bid 3 after me. Rex bid 4 kickback, then RHO bids 5. Then I forgot we were playing DOP1 and cost us tons of imps :( >

 

In the other room, he splintered 3, which had the salutary effect of preventing opps from bidding it! They cruised into the easy 6.

 

:P

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At the colors, opps threw in a lead directing 3S bid. Over the 3S splinter, he really didnt have enough to bid 4S as there is no certainty opps have a slam at that point. After all, he was looking at the Ace of Trump! The other table could have doubled the 3S bid but didnt.

 

Hog, what is your reasoning?

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Firstly anyone who decides to splinter is foolish. What are you going to splinter in? Why bother splintering?

4NT even IF KC is flawed. What if pd has Kxxxx Axx xx Axx. Slam is ok but not great. I play it as BW not KC btw.

A 2D bid allows for easy development of the auction. If the opps don't interfere, I can set H, follow up with serious/frivolous or whatever and explore. If they do intervene, the would have done so anyway, and I'll decide what to do when I see the level they bid at.

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We ONLY need to know keycards. If I have some sort of gadget that enables me to ask for keycards below 4NT, I'll use it. If not, I'll just bid 4NT and hope for the best.

 

Not the safest of auctions, I agree. But sure is the clearest of all and if pard happens to have the keys we need, we're in excellent shape to bid 5, 6 or even 7.

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I am surprised at the number of responses for 2, which i think is clearly wrong. This hand will be declared in , and I think you are much better off supporting with support immediately.

 

At the table, I bid 2NT Jacoby, with my next bid planning to be 4 kickback for key cards. I can sympathize with the 4NT bidders, which I believe to be regular Blackwood.

 

But I forgot to factor in those pesky opponents, who bid 3 after me. Rex bid 4 kickback, then RHO bids 5. Then I forgot we were playing DOP1 and cost us tons of imps :P >

 

In the other room, he splintered 3, which had the salutary effect of preventing opps from bidding it! They cruised into the easy 6.

 

:)

And I think 2N is clearly wrong. But I am not a fan of bidding Jacoby 2N on distributional hands and realize that others may have no problem with it. To each their own.

 

Splintering 3S may work, but then again, maybe its the club shortness that would get partner excited.....so splintering with two stiffs isnt an option for me either.

 

2 is game force. Thats all you need.

 

Second choice would be 4N......and I think it should be RKC. But I always treat ambiguous 4N bids where no suit has been explicitly agreed as agreeing the last bid suit. I can't really think of a good reason for 1M-4N not to agree the major....but I suppose somebody has one.

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1M-4N is commonly played as blackwood not keycard. I would start with 2N jacoby planning on bidding keycard next.

I hear you, but

I have always played that

When partner launches an "out-of-the-blue" 4NT after a suit bid (when is clearly not quantitative)

We still play rkc, and treat the last natural bid as the

Trump suit for now, including showing K & Q.

Unless a suit has been agreed upon.

Simplistic? Perhaps.

Is this the Expert way? Probably not.

Do I have any really well established partnerships at this time that have discussed more intricate ways? No.

Does it work? So far, so good.

Can I count to 13? No!

 

DHL :blink:

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I don´t understand these "I don´t understand" statements.

Obviously any sequence has its flaws.

2 Diamond is the most easiest to disturb.

2 NT with unbalanced hands is sometimes not too easy to handle and surely an invitation to disturb you with a 3 Spade bid.

Splinters may show the "wrong" splinter for pd to get excited and surely 3 Spade will lead to some lead directing doubles and bids too.

4 NT is plain Blackwood for many and you must hope that pd does not show 2 Aces...

 

In the actual hand, the slam was missed, because one player forgot about dopi. It was not missed because of the opponents bidding.

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