Jump rebid in precision

[Flame]

Im reading revision and think rebid by opener can be better used.

Im talking about

1H-1S

3C

and also

about

1H-1S

3H

In most precision 1H-1S-3C is max 5-5 in revision its 6-5.

1H-1S

3H is usually max with good 6 card suit.

 

the revision file explain that playing 5-5 isnt a good idea because you end up playing 5-2 fit too many time, on the other hand 6-5 are rare.

The jump rebid of 3H i like even less because you have good suit and about 14-15 hcp when you might be facing a 0 hcp and a misfit.

What im saying is i dont think you can jump without a know fit or an extreme hand and therefore i suggest playing those jump as showing fit for example mini splinter.

So

1H-1S-3C would show a short club.

1H-1S-3H could be some kind of picture jump.

This is much more freqent and will get us to good games and partscore depending of partner honors in out suit. IT might also free 4 level splinters for other use such a void splinter but thats not as important.

What do you think ?

[helene_t]

Do you really respond to an 11-15 opening with zero HCPs?

 

Anyway, as for

1♥-1♠

3♣

you could give it a very specific meaning since you're unlikely to have missed game if reponder passes a 2♣ rebid.

 

1♥-1♠

2♥

is slightly different. With solid hearts and/or secundaire spade support I think you must bid more than 2♥.

 

A simple rule could be: a jump rebid allways shows some tollerance for responder's suit.

 

Another idea (no I'm not smoking obnoxious substances): If you play a 12-14 1NT opening, you can make the 1NT rebid forcing: responder would have to pass the opening with a hand that would pass a 15-16 1NT. That gives you more room to describe hands that upgraded after hearing reponder's suit.

[awm]

Here's what I use with two of my regular partners after 1♥-1♠:

 

1NT = either 2-5-3-3 shape or 4+♦; not totally forcing but could be quite shapely so rarely passed.

 

2♣ = natural, 4+♣

 

2♦ = good raise of spades, can be 3 trumps in a very max hand with some shape

 

2♥ = normal 2♥ rebid, pretty much denies 3-card spades

 

2♠ = 3+ spades, but not a super-max

 

2N = five hearts and a six-plus card minor, something like 12-14 high

 

3m = six hearts and five in the bid suit, something like 12-14

 

3♥ = seven-card heart suit and around 14-15 high

 

There are several nice things about this structure, in particular:

 

(1) The fourth suit is available at a low level, avoiding the awkward sequence 1♥-1♠-2♦ in standard methods where it's annoyingly hard to force.

 

(2) There's a "good" spade raise available but we can still stop at the two-level, which solves the "3-card support too strong for 2♠" issue as well as giving responder an out if he responded very light.

 

(3) We can show both 6-5 and 5-6 patterns distinctly, which facilitates finding the best fit.

[Apollo81]

Im reading revision and think rebid by opener can be better used.

Im talking about

1H-1S

3C

and also

about

1H-1S

3H

In most precision 1H-1S-3C is max 5-5 in revision its 6-5.

1H-1S

3H is usually max with good 6 card suit.

 

the revision file explain that playing 5-5 isnt a good idea because you end up playing 5-2 fit too many time, on the other hand 6-5 are rare.

The jump rebid of 3H i like even less because you have good suit and about 14-15 hcp when you might be facing a 0 hcp and a misfit.

What im saying is i dont think you can jump without a know fit or an extreme hand and therefore i suggest playing those jump as showing fit for example mini splinter.

So

1H-1S-3C would show a short club.

1H-1S-3H could be some kind of picture jump.

This is much more freqent and will get us to good games and partscore depending of partner honors in out suit. IT might also free 4 level splinters for other use such a void splinter but thats not as important.

What do you think ?

I suggest using 2NT for splinter raises if you want to include such a bid. 3c over this would ask.

 

I have had nothing but good experiences with playing 1♥-1♠-3m as 6M-5m.

[Robert]

Hi everyone

 

The Precision jump rebid with 5-5 suits and 14-15HCP sometimes(often?) leads to a 5-2 fit at the three level.

 

Playing the jump as 6M-5(+) allows partner to raise to game on 2 card support. It allow tends to discourage partner from rebidding game after 1M-1Y-3Z-3M. Opener has already shown 6M-5 and partner still 'only' bid 3M.

 

Responder normally takes two bids with 10+HCP, so they tend to bid something after 1M-1any-2Y. Jumping to 3Y with 5-5 suits and 14-15HCP loses bidding space and forces you to take nine tricks to go plus.

 

The jump rebid of 2NT shows 3 card support for responder's suit plus 6+ cards in opener's suit and 14-15HCP.

 

Revision tends to jump rebid the opened major with 7(+) card suits.

 

Revision does respond(sometimes) with zero HCP to a 11-15HCp opener. It does create problems, however, most of them are for the other pair. OBAR players are most welcome to their 'pre' balancing action against this tactic.

 

Regards,

Robert