asc Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 [hv=d=n&v=b&s=saq10xhxdk10xxca109x]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv]You play a big pairs tournament and your right opponent open 1♥, you (E)Doubleand your left opponent(S) Redouble, Your partner is Pass (You can not see her). Now N alert and ask for explain of your partner's Pass, and You ask for Redouble explain.He is showing You a conventional card and there is a special redouble, in such a case-it can be a normal Redouble with good hand wih or without fit, but there are another two cases when he can be very weak -no fit no points (0-4PC), and good fit 4 cards but balanced -something like 3433 (0-4PC). N is Pass.They play Bergen rises,aggressive bidding.Normaly You play Pass after redouble like "you pick"(not penalty)What a f..... is that bridge or poker?? Your turn! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 I don't know who has what, but I do know what I'm going ro bid: 1♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Who cares what the redouble is? If they have a 9 card heart fit, I'm not defending. if LHO has an 11 count without hearts, I'm not defending either. If pard has a penalty pass is 1♥, well I guess they got me. I suppose I would ask what a PASS over the double means, since the xx seems to cover a lot of different hand types. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Just me but I think all of these questions will be UI in the middle of the auction. You did say big as in top class pairs event? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 I don't think you can have much UI if you're playing with screens... Anyway, I run to 1♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asc Posted February 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 I suppose I would ask what a PASS over the double means, since the xx seems to cover a lot of different hand types. PASS is without fit but not enough strong to say 1NT(natural). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 [hv=d=n&v=b&s=saq10xhxdk10xxca109x]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv]You play a big pairs tournament and your right opponent open 1♥, you (E)Doubleand your left opponent(S) Redouble, Your partner is Pass (You can not see her). Now N alert and ask for explain of your partner's Pass, and You ask for Redouble explain.He is showing You a conventional card and there is a special redouble, in such a case-it can be a normal Redouble with good hand wih or without fit, but there are another two cases when he can be very weak -no fit no points (0-4PC), and good fit 4 cards but balanced -something like 3433 (0-4PC). N is Pass.They play Bergen rises,aggressive bidding.Normaly You play Pass after redouble like "you pick"(not penalty)What a f..... is that bridge or poker?? Your turn! The nerve of those bastards... What right do they have to play a conventional redouble that you don't approve of? Why are you even posing this as a bidding question? You should have just complained to the Director and tried to get an adjusted score... Oh wait... Your opponents are playing a legal method. More over, they even seem to be behaving ethically and disclosed this fact via an alert. Here's my take on things: 1. I don't think that multiplexing some weak hand types into the double should require significant changes to our methods. I would like (expect) partner to bounce the bidding a bit more aggressively with weak/shapely hands but I wouldn't bother completely redesigning our methods. Personally, I prefer methods in which the initial takeout double is kept pretty "pure". I'll (either) have support for all the unbid suits, a big NT oriented hand, or a strong single suiter. Accordingly, partner's pass wouldn't ask me to chose strain, it would show values and expose a psychic XX. (I'll note in passing that that the opponents seem to have folded the hand patterns typically used with a psychic XX as part of the systemic meaning of XX) 2. It looks like the opponents have found a hole in your methods. You're now faced with a blind guess. Personally, I think that you should bid 1♠, however this could easily be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 It may be better to play the pass as business against this redouble, but since we didn't discuss that it is clear that we still play "you pick". So I pick 1S, obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 I'm a 1S bidder. This has "bad" all over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 B) All your opponents were doing was to add one additional meaning to the conventional redouble - the 0 to 4 point hand with support, a sort of controlled psyche. Sounds like a decent treatment because once the psyche is exposed, partner of the redoubler may find a good save. Of course, your side may be able to 'see' heart shortness in partner's hand as well. Action with your hand is certainly clear enough. Just bid one spade. Partner will know whether the redouble was weak or strong and can act accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 Looks like an easy 1♠, if we coudl agree maybe pass was to play, but won't play 1♥ wihtout a clear agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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