Echognome Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=s9873hqd97ckqt952]133|100|Scoring: MPP - (P) - 1♥ - (1♠)P - (P) - 2♦ - (P)?[/hv] So what is it? Pass, 2♥, or 3♣? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 object prefer 2clubs last round if pard rebids 2d, I rebid 2H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 3C. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Pass: partner doesn't have a TO double, so he's probably quite short in ♣ and has some ♠s. Probably better to stay low, and I guess chance is higher that p has a 5 card ♦ than a 6 card ♥. I also prefer 2♣ on the previous round, but when the agreements don't allow it, what you gonna do? :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Pass: partner doesn't have a TO double, so he's probably quite short in ♣ and has some ♠s. He could also have failed to double because he's void in spades, couldn't he? Ths probably depends on agreement. If Frederick's assumption is correct, I agree with pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 and i did not bid 1nt to start with why? or even 3c? or maybe even 2c as it is now limited (though still f1)... given this choice i try 3c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Pass: partner doesn't have a TO double, so he's probably quite short in ♣ and has some ♠s. Probably better to stay low, and I guess chance is higher that p has a 5 card ♦ than a 6 card ♥. I also prefer 2♣ on the previous round, but when the agreements don't allow it, what you gonna do? :( Ditto, although I disagree this is a 2♣ call, unless I'm playing NFB (please, no). Pard is probably 3=5=5=0. Even with a strong 1=5=5=2, or even a 2=5=5=1, I think a negative x is OK, converting a club call to ♦'s. Helene - my partners have no fear about balancing with a double holding a void. I don't care what Marty Bergen says; doubles are for takeout, and the more he has in the unbid suits, the better. My biggest fear about passing 2♦ isn't that we are in a bad contract, its that we are making 3N on power, with say: ♠KQx, ♥AKTxx, ♦AKxxx, void. Hands like this do not guarantee 3N; and this kind of power approaches a 3♦ call over 1♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 I think I'd bid 2♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 number of tricks my hand will produce in a red suit: 0. number of tricks my hand will produce in clubs: 5. Mark me down for 3C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temp3600 Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 I pass, for the same reasons mentioned by several previous posters : partner is likely to have a few spades, be very short in clubs, and 5-5 in the red suits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Obvious 3♣ bid for me B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmunte1 Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 First pass was OK. 3♣ is ok now, as Justin pointed out the weak hand should play the board with his long suit as trumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted February 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 [hv=d=s&v=n&n=sk5hkt754dkqj84c7&w=st2h8632d63caj643&e=saqj64haj9dat52c8&s=s9873hqd97ckqt952]399|300|Scoring: MPP - P - 1♥ - 1♠P - P - 2♦ - P2♥ - All Pass[/hv] This was just an ugly hand for our side. I certainly didn't make the right call here as 2♥ is looking at a very narrow target. One good junior commented later "I pass as I don't want to encourage partner in any way." And I liked that reasoning. I thought 3♣ would be reasonable but at the tables where that happened it went for 1100. Note that one hand does not make a general rule. I think the reasoning that partner didn't reopen with a double should scare us. Either he has a spade void (and why didn't LHO raise?) or he's very short in clubs. For example with most 1=5=5=2 hands, I think he should reopen with a double. He can always correct a 2♣ bid to 2♦ and be no worse off or decide to let partner play 2♣ undoubled. Any way partner can figure out to pass 1♠? At MP I thought it was difficult. As it was, -300 was an average minus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 I disagree with many of the comments in this thread. I would always rebid 2♦ with a minimal opener and 5-5 in the red suits. I would double and pull to 2♦ only with stronger hands. I am a little surprised as I thought that was a common style, or even standard. When you are 5-5 and minimum in high cards, you won't like it when partner passes your double, you won't like it if he jumps in clubs, and as an upside you can make a distinction between minimal and intermediate 5-5s. Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted February 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 I disagree with many of the comments in this thread. I would always rebid 2♦ with a minimal opener and 5-5 in the red suits. I would double and pull to 2♦ only with stronger hands. I am a little surprised as I thought that was a common style, or even standard. When you are 5-5 and minimum in high cards, you won't like it when partner passes your double, you won't like it if he jumps in clubs, and as an upside you can make a distinction between minimal and intermediate 5-5s. Arend I think it's simple. You don't reopen with a double if you can't stand partner passing the double. Don't you find: Ax Axxxx Axxxx x and --- KQJxx KQJxx xxx to be very different hands for deciding whether to reopen or double? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 Echo, I agree with what you say. I disagree with those who claim partner "must have" (or is very likely to have) club shortness for his 2♦ bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 20, 2007 Report Share Posted February 20, 2007 good junior An oxymoron? :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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