inquiry Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 ... For the "swan" bidders who just bid what you think (hope) you can make, nothing is too wrong with a direct 4♠ bid. .... Was there a particular reason you chose to single out Swan for insult? BBO has nobody that would bid this way? Yes, I hate everyone who plays on the SWAN site.. next time, I will go after the OKBridge players..... :) ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,llllllllllllllllllll9999999999999999999999999933333333333ssssssssssssss (sotired read down below)..... Oh, and SoTired, a hand with a SEVEN CARD suit and an FOUR card suit has a nickname. I guess you don't know it, so have a look at this link.... Colorful Bridge Slang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTired Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 OK - never knew that... shame on me. I apologize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 4♠ I don't think this is too strong for a 2nd seat white preempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 (Al: Its very unlikely hearts will be the correct strain on this hand). I do not know the statistical likelihood of pard holding 4 or more hearts, but in 2nd seat, I only have one opp to preempt vs one pard to preempt. There was mention of the risk of the opps finding their minor suit fit......if they have a fit, so do we, so I am just as likely to have an 8 card fit in S as in H? Maybe not, but the 1S bid doesnt hurt my chances of finding out, does it? I respectfully acquiesce to Ely Culbertson, but think that this is the one orientation (7S and 4H) that might be the exception to the "rule". :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 (Al: Its very unlikely hearts will be the correct strain on this hand). I do not know the statistical likelihood of pard holding 4 or more hearts, but in 2nd seat, I only have one opp to preempt vs one pard to preempt. There was mention of the risk of the opps finding their minor suit fit......if they have a fit, so do we, so I am just as likely to have an 8 card fit in S as in H? Maybe not, but the 1S bid doesnt hurt my chances of finding out, does it? I respectfully acquiesce to Ely Culbertson, but think that this is the one orientation (7S and 4H) that might be the exception to the "rule". :) Al, if you are forced to ruff a minor in the 7-4 hand (when playing in 4-4 heart fit), there are plenty of hands where the spade suit can get stranded. Playing in spades, this is not a problem. This is why swans often play better in the 7 card suit instead of in the 4-4 fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 np It will only get stranded when it is not the trump suit but that would be at a level lower than 4S and not higher because of the opening preempt. The other conditions, for this particular suit situation, will keep me from opening 4S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted February 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 On some of the tables the bidding started:(2H)-???2H: Muiderberg (5-card H & 4+card m; weak)What do you bid now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 On some of the tables the bidding started:(2H)-???2H: Muiderberg (5-card H & 4+card m; weak)What do you bid now? 4♥. If they start off with a minor, my partner gets 3 ruffs on the board. If they start with a trump (or a spade) I set up the spades. I need too much from partner to consider slam, and if I play in a 5-4 when I had a 7-3 available, well, I guess I don't care much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted February 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 On some of the tables the bidding started:(2H)-???2H: Muiderberg (5-card H & 4+card m; weak)What do you bid now? 4♥. If they start off with a minor, my partner gets 3 ruffs on the board. If they start with a trump (or a spade) I set up the spades. I need too much from partner to consider slam, and if I play in a 5-4 when I had a 7-3 available, well, I guess I don't care much. It's RHO opening 2H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 On some of the tables the bidding started:(2H)-???2H: Muiderberg (5-card H & 4+card m; weak)What do you bid now? 4♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Now that's a whole different smoke....and I heartily concur with 4S (1S now being insufficient...lol) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 It is a different animal now. 3 and 4♠ are strong bids, not weak. I'm fine with 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 "It is a different animal now. 3 and 4♠ are strong bids, not weak. I'm fine with 2♠. " 3S is a huge hand. To me, 4S sounds like the hand I have, lots of distribution and not a lot of points, if pd has some help I can make. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 2♠ makes it a lot easier to find their minor fit (of course openers partner may have BOTH minors, so he can bid 4NT over 4♠ to find it anyway). Bid 4♠ and let them make the last guess. This is quite different from pass to you, and then you have to bid. 4♠ preempts your own auction when RHO is weak. ALSO, just for the record, I read 2H as mulderberg.. which I take not as "weak" but rather minimum opening hand with hearts and a minor. If 2♥ is preemptive (less than opening hand) with major/minor, I will change my bid to 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 2♠ makes it a lot easier to find their minor fit (of course openers partner may have BOTH minors, so he can bid 4NT over 4♠ to find it anyway). Bid 4♠ and let them make the last guess. This is quite different from pass to you, and then you have to bid. 4♠ preempts your own auction when RHO is weak. ALSO, just for the record, I read 2H as mulderberg.. which I take not as "weak" but rather minimum opening hand with hearts and a minor. If 2♥ is preemptive (less than opening hand) with major/minor, I will change my bid to 2♠. Muiderberg shows a weak hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted February 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 [hv=d=e&n=sxxhxxdaqxxxcxxxx&w=sxxhqjdkxcakqjxxx&e=sajhkt9xxdjtxxxcx&s=skqt9xxxhaxxxdxcx]399|300|Scoring: MP[/hv]Thanks for the answers. These are the 4 hands.At our table: (P)-4S-(5C)-All P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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