kgr Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=skqt9xxxhaxxxdxcx]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv]RHO Passes.What do you open? (You play 5-card M system, 3H is transfer to 3S or something strong, 2S is Muiderberg, 4D is 8 tricks in S, 4S is 7 tricks in S ..or pass) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 4S, I know shocking but :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Normally, I'd say 1♠. But since you have a bid for an 8 trick swan, why not use it? I mean, if you don't bid 4♦ with this, you may as well use that bid for something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted February 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Normally, I'd say 1♠. But since you have a bid for an 8 trick swan, why not use it? I mean, if you don't bid 4♦ with this, you may as well use that bid for something else. To clarify: 4D is namyats and only showing Spades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 4S at any scoring and vulnerability. BTW, this hand, while not strong, is clearly not weak. It has the playing strength of a 1 bid in almost any system. It is definitely too strong for a below-game preempt. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 NAMYATS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Easy 4♠ the suit isn't strong enough to consider NAMYATS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BebopKid Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 I would bid 1♠ to see how partner responds. Just about any bid by partner or opps would result in 4♠ by me. All I know is pretty much SAYC at this point though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 "I would bid 1♠ to see how partner responds. Just about any bid by partner or opps would result in 4♠ by me. All I know is pretty much SAYC at this point though." 1S isn't a bad bid. The reason many of us choose 4S is to make it difficult for the opps to find their very likely minor suit fit. If we open 4S with this hand 100 times, we make them take the last guess most of them. And if partner has a nice hand, well... Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 :) In reply to Richard's post I am shocked, shocked he would bid 4s with this 7-4 hand. :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 the suit isn't strong enough to consider NAMYATS I thought KQT9xxx was the minimum. What is the classic minimum suit strength for NAMYATS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 1♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 14, 2007 Report Share Posted February 14, 2007 Obvious 4♠, followed by dbl if opps butt-in. Oh, I'm playing namyats..? Well, then I open... 4♠ :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 the suit isn't strong enough to consider NAMYATS I thought KQT9xxx was the minimum. What is the classic minimum suit strength for NAMYATS? Do you have 8 tricks with spades as trumps?You loose to tricks in the minor, 2 hearts (most likely 3)and at least 1 spade, i.e. at best you have 7 1/2. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 4S at any scoring at any vulnerability. Now where have I read that before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcLight Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Ben,I appreciate the fact that you post so large so those of us who are legally blind can read your posts. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Your Welcome I tend to do so when I just give a single bid response. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Close between 4♦ and 1♠. I'll decide later! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 4♠. Its a bit light for a NAMYATS call. 1♠ in a "social" game. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zasanya Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 the suit isn't strong enough to consider NAMYATS I thought KQT9xxx was the minimum. What is the classic minimum suit strength for NAMYATS?The benefit of NAMYATS is to differentiate between a strong distributional hand, which may provide a slam opportunity with less opponent interference, and a preemptive bid which has no slam opportunity. An artificial opening bid of 4C or 4D used to signify a good hand with 7+ card length in Hearts or Spades, respectively. Opener's hand should hold 8 or 8 1/2 playing tricks with good honors in the major suit, usually accompanied by an outside Ace or King. Conversely, an opening bid of 4H or 4S shows a weak preemptive hand not meeting that criteria. Seems a 4♠ hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 I'm not saying that 4♠ is a bad call. However, I'm not sure that I agree wholeheartedly with the idea that opening 4♠ gives the opponents the last guess. If their guess is to pass, then they may well have made that choice after a 1♠ opening. If their choice is to bid somehow at the five-level in a minor (bidding one or 4NT takeout perhaps), then we may have the last guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Opps, schmopps....2 defensive quick tricks, rebid and rule of 20.....especially the Heart Axxx, I am opening 1S and who knows, our game might just be 4H which we will never find if I open 4S..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 This hand is not good enough of namyats. that is a fact. For the "swan" bidders who just bid what you think (hope) you can make, nothing is too wrong with a direct 4♠ bid. It is just that my partner will never play me for first or second round control in EVERY SUIT and such a good hand if I open 4♠ NON-VUL on this hand. So for me, 4♠ doesn't seem like a good choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 This hand is not good enough of namyats. that is a fact. For the "swan" bidders who just bid what you think (hope) you can make, nothing is too wrong with a direct 4♠ bid. It is just that my partner will never play me for first or second round control in EVERY SUIT and such a good hand if I open 4♠ NON-VUL on this hand. So for me, 4♠ doesn't seem like a good choice. I agree; this is the 'biggest' risk of 4♠. Still, it looks like a classic 7-4 preempt to me. (Al: Its very unlikely hearts will be the correct strain on this hand). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTired Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 ... For the "swan" bidders who just bid what you think (hope) you can make, nothing is too wrong with a direct 4♠ bid. .... Was there a particular reason you chose to single out Swan for insult? BBO has nobody that would bid this way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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