kgr Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 MP/Vul vs NotYou hold: void-KJx-KQ9xx-AKQ9xRHO opens 2♠ weak.What do you bid with expert pickup partner without discussion?What do you bid with your regular partner? thanks,Koen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Double, raising to game over any non-jump response. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Double. Over Lebensohl I bid 3♦, over any 3-level bid I will cue 3♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 X. Sorry but I must be thick; what is the problem? Isn't X obvious? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zasanya Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 X. Sorry but I must be thick; what is the problem? Isn't X obvious?1.Some experts do not like to double with a void in opponents suit.2.Some partnerships guarantee 4 card ♥ after a double of 2♠ I will X with any partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 I'll double but I'm not crazy about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 X. Sorry but I must be thick; what is the problem? Isn't X obvious?1.Some experts do not like to double with a void in opponents suit.2.Some partnerships guarantee 4 card ♥ after a double of 2♠ I will X with any partner. Can you tell us who these "experts" are, please? Who doesn't X a 2S opening on say a 0454 18 count? I would like to ask these "experts" what they do on such a hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmunte1 Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 1. I would have doubled without discussion2. I would have bid 3♠ showing either a strong hand with minors or a strong one suited hand in a minor, followed probably by 4♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 I will let experts bid and tell you why.....with this hand I just bid 3d oh well.Yes I see only 3 losers but still bid 3D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Hum.. dbl or 4NT, depending on what I had for dinner :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Hum.. dbl or 4NT, depending on what I had for dinner :)Hmm, if 4NT then we might have a tainted meat situation, please be alert. Just kidding of course. I think double is clearly right. Hearts can easily be right if partner has 5. Rigid rules about what to promiss or deny by doubling is ridiculous. However, 4NT is much-much better than 3♦. When it goes all pass after 3♦, I'd start throwing up even before the dummy comes down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 thank goodness us nonexperts 3d bidders can have the following weak excuse1) I bid my longest suit2) I am void in spades3) I cannot lead a spade vs x contract4) I have less than 4 hearts.5) LTC ..hmm thought that only matters once a fit is found? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 I might bid 3♦, though I'm leaning towards 4NT as well. Don't get me wrong, I've made t/o doubles holding a void before but I do it with great discomfort as a calculated risk and pray that partner will pull it. I don't think this is the hand to lie about your holding. When we have one trump less than partner expects, when we can't lead ♠s right away like partner expects, I'd say that on hands that we knock 2♠ a decent amount, we may have missed a minor suit slam. Or we may end up in game in a 4-3 heart fit going off because of a nasty break. Having said that, I'm no "expert" either. Obviously my opinions are inferior because they don't agree with the 'one true choice' that is double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Dbl with pickup partner 3♠ with regular partner: minors, a bit worried about the 3-card ♥ which partner won't expect, but still with 6♥ he'll try 4♥... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 thank goodness us nonexperts 3d bidders can have the following weak excuse1) I bid my longest suit2) I am void in spades3) I cannot lead a spade vs x contract4) I have less than 4 hearts.5) LTC ..hmm thought that only matters once a fit is found? C are as long and are better quality, so why don't you bid 3C? You might hear 3D (Yeah, as if!)So what if you have less than 4H - has congress passed a law disallowing partner to have 5 or more?I fail to see what LTC has to do with this discussion. The S void is a slight handicap, but a good partner won't pass with less than a decent S holding. Gerben, as a matter of interest, what would you bid with a solid minor a couple of outside stoppers and no S stop if you can't bid 3S with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 I make no claims that 3d is best...I only assume I am playing with a wc partner and bid my longest suit vul vs nv. In a pickup WC partnership...I can live with 3d.....I will make many worse errors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhais Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 :) double Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Gerben, as a matter of interest, what would you bid with a solid minor a couple of outside stoppers and no S stop if you can't bid 3S with that? Double followed by 3♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 ok ok I am only vote for 3d how bad was that to x? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Three places to play. Double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTired Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Dbl The trouble with 3D is that partner is likely to pass with most non-descript 6 counts and we will miss game. Plus the odds are 50-50 that we will be in the wrong minor contract. Plus there is the possibility that partner has 5♥ and we will miss a good heart contract. Plus there is the possibility that partner has 4♥ and the moysian 4H contract is our best spot. Name ONE expert that would dbl 2S guaranteeing 4♥? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Nobody said your not allowed to double without 4♥s. But what we are saying is that it's a factor that discourages a double, and has to be weighed in with all the other factors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 I join the majority vote for double. BTW, I doubt the wisdom of debating what call to make without contemplating what may happen next, and I don't just mean what partner will bid. I am sure we have all noticed that the opps are at favourable vulnerability and we have a noticeable lack of ♠s. The odds are good that LHO is about to raise the ante, and (in several ways) we may welcome that. Consider: if LHO doesn't raise ♠s, what does that tell us about partner's hand? As it is, I am comfortable with doubling in most scenarios. If LHO bounces, and partner doubles (card-showing), I bid 4♠ over 3♠ and 4N over 4♠. If partner bids some number of ♥s: over 5♥ I will raise to slam, over 4♥ I will pass... he sure isn't bidding 5♥ on a 4 card suit, and maybe I owe him a 5♠ bid... And so on. If he passes some number of ♠s: I double again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Autodouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted February 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Thanks all for the answers.I don't remember the actual distribution, but let me try to construct one that resembles it:[hv=d=e&n=saqxxxhxxxxdxxcxx&w=sxxhaqxxdaxxcxxxx&e=skjxxxxhxxdjxxxcx&s=shkjxdkq9xxcakq9x]399|300|Scoring: MP[/hv]Bidding at our table was:(2S)-4S-4NT5C-6H4S was the ideal bid. It shows a Spade void and 5-5 in the minors (so 3 hearts) and 3 or 4 loosers :o ... that is what I thought.Most important lesson for me is probably not to fantasise too much about a bid. Partner should have the same fantasies then. He thought I showed 5-5 ♥ and ♣ as I could have shown the minors with 4NT. BTW: I didn't take 4NT as ace asking, but as spade values.(6H was -2, probably partner's hand was a bit better then shown) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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