clayniac Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 At the club today, I held ♠jxx ♥akqtxx ♦ void ♣ qxxx 1 ♥-2 ♣2 ♥-4nt-? If I bid 5 ♠ showing 2 with the queen in hearts, partner bids 6 nt.If I bid 5 nt, by agreement showing 2 with a useful void, partner bids 6 ♥ 6 nt went down for a tie for bottom.6 ♥ makes for a tie for top. Thanks all, Patsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 What did 2♥ show? Count only, or a 6th heart? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 As 5N gets me to a making 6♥, and 5♠ to 6N down, I will bid 5N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 I would show the void first, if partner is interested in grand if I have the queen, he has ways to explore. As an aside, I strongly feel that this auction (1H-2m-2H-4NT) should NOT be RKCB for hearts. I think it should be natural and invitational. You can bid 3H (set trumps, game force, get an oppurnity for 4C raise) and then bid 4NT NEXT as responder;. This option may not be possible if 2C is not 2/1 GF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 At the club today, I held ♠jxx ♥akqtxx ♦ void ♣ qxxx 1 ♥-2 ♣2 ♥-4nt-? If I bid 5 ♠ showing 2 with the queen in hearts, partner bids 6 nt.If I bid 5 nt, by agreement showing 2 with a useful void, partner bids 6 ♥ 6 nt went down for a tie for bottom.6 ♥ makes for a tie for top. Thanks all, Patsy Any reason for not splintering over 2♣? (even if 3♦ is natural in your system, nothing wrong with 4♦) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Any reason for not splintering over 2♣? (even if 3♦ is natural in your system, nothing wrong with 4♦) Maybe 2♣ shows 10+ hcp, and 2♥ is passable? I know most of the people on this site are better than I am, but I still claim that we can't possibly determine which bid should be made until we know what the original bids meant. Even between SAYC and 2/1 what's been told to partner already is very, very different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Any reason for not splintering over 2♣? (even if 3♦ is natural in your system, nothing wrong with 4♦) Maybe 2♣ shows 10+ hcp, and 2♥ is passable? If 2♥ is passable, I would be even more inclined to splinter :D I would not splinter in SAYC or 2/1, since I don't want to rule out 4♥ as a contract yet, but it will certainly work well opposite many hands. Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 I'm the lone 5S bidder, Partner won't know which void I have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 You're not the lone 5♠ bidder. I also bid 5♠ since pard will not know which void I have. You have a better hand than you promised. I'd say this one is pard's fault for bidding 6NT. Can we have the whole deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Agree, partner should not jump to RKC if (s)he doesn't know what slam the right slam is yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayniac Posted February 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 ♦Noble, you and I seem to agree a lot. I bid 5 spades-2 with the queen. Partner had ♠kqx ♥xx ♦ajtx ♣akjx and got a ♦ lead. Any other lead, he knocks out the ♠ ace and claims 12 tricks in 6 nt. 6♥ is cold on any lead (♥ behave). 6 nt makes on any lead but a ♦. One other pair was in 6 nt down one, and one pair was in 6 ♥ making. No one else was in slam except those two pairs and us. I thought it was important to show the solid ♥ suit. Turns out if I bid 5 nt-2 with a useful void-partner will bid 6 ♥ knowing i have a pointed void. Void can't be in♣. There is also an argument that I could raise ♣ or splinter in ♦ after partner's 2 ♣ bid and then show the solid ♥ suit.Thanks all, Patsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 I think 4N with that hand is a very bad bid. If 2♣ was GF, your partner should just bid 2N, forcing, and wait for further description by you. If 2♣ was not GF, it is ugly, and I might make the bad bid of 4N myself :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayniac Posted February 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 I was playing with a long-time partner, friend and teammate. We have established agreements; and our convention card has expanded over time. We play a 2/1 that started with fairly basic 2/1 but which has gotten a bit more sophisticated over the years.Thanks for input everyone, will continue to follow the replies and the poll results.Patsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Why am I not bidding 3d over 2clubs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 I think void is far more important. The queen is an hidden asset, but it's critical to just get to the right slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Why am I not bidding 3d over 2clubs? Because you don't have 5-5 in the red suits? I don't think there is a standard agreement for this one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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