Kitta Posted December 25, 2003 Report Share Posted December 25, 2003 Noone vulnerable, the auction goes: 3 D - Dbl - 3 NT - ?What's your chice with J873, 9764, J4, 964 ? :D Being "sure" of 3 NT being cold (7 D+1 or 2 Aces), I bid 4 D - could go home or good save(!) expecting Pd to bid his best Major! He didn't - went to 4 NT, 5 D from me (1430) & 7 H - dbl! Hands can follow if you so wish :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted December 25, 2003 Report Share Posted December 25, 2003 Noone vulnerable, the auction goes: 3 D - Dbl - 3 NT - ?What's your chice with J873, 9764, J4, 964 ? :D Being "sure" of 3 NT being cold (7 D+1 or 2 Aces), I bid 4 D - could go home or good save(!) expecting Pd to bid his best Major! He didn't - went to 4 NT, 5 D from me (1430) & 7 H - dbl! Hands can follow if you so wish :) Just because opponents game is cold, it doesn't mean you have to sacrifice over it! I wouldn't be surprised if 4MX went at least 3 or 4 off opposite partner's minimum take out double. So I pass with this hand. If partner doubles again, then I might try 4D. However, if opps are not good players then even that is not clear. People have been known to bid 3NT opposite a pre-empt on completely unsuitable hands, so it may be that 3NT isn't making! Also, a psyche of 3NT (on a hand with just diamond support) in this position is not that unusual. It may be best to reserve the immediate 4D cue-bid as a strong hand, because if you simply double 3NT with the strong hand and RHO rescues to 5D you are in a poor position to find the best contract. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted December 25, 2003 Report Share Posted December 25, 2003 I pass this hand. And if you really want to bid something, bid Dbl (3 card Club can be good opposite a 5 card of partner). But the problem is that you have absolutely NOTHING to bid, to play, to 'anything'. Why would you bid 4D - a cuebid - when you haven't passed already with almost half a trick and a balanced hand??? I just don't see the point. If p doubles, you can bid 4D, if he passes, you'll play 3NT and see where it gets you... Imo partner passed 3D because he had no double (too long in D), so he'll probably bid again if you pass. Btw, nobody is vulnerable so 7 tricks in D seem a lot! I'd bid 3D on a 5 card in that situation, many bid 3D on a 6 card. I'd say in this vulnerability you have about 4-6 tricks in Diamonds, depending on RHO's holding. So this so-called "sure" 3NT isn't sure at all. Free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted December 25, 2003 Report Share Posted December 25, 2003 We have all used the cue-bid of the opponents minor at the four level for "bid your better major partner" after partner has made a takeout double. But here, there is something else going on. The something else is that the 3NT bidder may be a "kidder". That is not vul, he may have bid 3NT as a joke. If you fail to double, they play 3NT down a ton, or if you do double, they run to 4D's. So when you bid 4D with this hand as "pick a major" partner, your partner will think you are exposing a psyche. The end result, is sadly what happened. From your hand they are surely have a great chance at 3NT, but before ypu bid, you have to take partner's problem into consideration. At imps, just pass with this hand. Surely 4 of either major is going down (or partners hand is so good he will bid again). At matchpoints, if you feel like you just ahve to bid, close your eyes and guess, but even this isn't safe, as your partner may not be able to take a joke. I am afraid I have to join the passers on this hand over 3NT. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitta Posted December 25, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2003 Yes, I bid 4 D too quickly! Should have passed - expecting a possible bid OR another double from partner (a BBO star!). Did not consider his side of the table. His power-house hand was: KQx, AKJ10xx, -, AKxx . Hence I'm still learning :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 So why did he NOT bid over 3D??? This hand is a clear Dbl imo, and if p bids 3S, bid 4H... There's a big chance his lho will pass with a pretty good hand without stops in a suit, and you expect p to bid in 4th hand? Dbl with his hand is better I think, you can play 4H all by yourself :D Free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitta Posted December 26, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 I think FREE you have missed that Rado as South doubled East's 3 D opening. Several thougths races through the brain & one aspect was that I had only one chance to ask partner to choose Major, hence my 4 D. I expected that 3 NT would again be doubled & that West might "take my bid" 4 D! The hands: West: East:A10 JxxxQxx - Axxx KQxxxxxQ10xx Jx Rado's: KQx, AK10xxx, - , AKxx so 4 D are cold......... :) :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 Noone vulnerable, the auction goes: 3 D - Dbl - 3 NT - ?What's your chice with J873, 9764, J4, 964 ? :) Being "sure" of 3 NT being cold (7 D+1 or 2 Aces), I bid 4 D - could go home or good save(!) expecting Pd to bid his best Major! He didn't - went to 4 NT, 5 D from me (1430) & 7 H - dbl! Hands can follow if you so wish :)PASS, with all my heart. I have nothing, nothing at all.My pd, it's so nice this is a pdship game, will X again with a good hand, or maybe even bid 4 D to show the majors with a decent hand. Keep it simple, don't try to confuse r pd with showing something y don't have. Mike ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted December 27, 2003 Report Share Posted December 27, 2003 I think FREE you have missed that Rado as South doubled East's 3 D opening. Woops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted December 27, 2003 Report Share Posted December 27, 2003 I think FREE you have missed that Rado as South doubled East's 3 D opening. WoopsHehehe, I wasn;t going to say it :) Mike ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EarlPurple Posted December 31, 2003 Report Share Posted December 31, 2003 4D is cold, 3NT is going 1 off assuming that your partner would lead a top heart and switch to a top spade on seeing dummy. 4H your way is 1 off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted December 31, 2003 Report Share Posted December 31, 2003 I think FREE you have missed that Rado as South doubled East's 3 D opening. Several thougths races through the brain & one aspect was that I had only one chance to ask partner to choose Major, hence my 4 D. I expected that 3 NT would again be doubled & that West might "take my bid" 4 D! The hands: West: East:A10 JxxxQxx - Axxx KQxxxxxQ10xx Jx Rado's: KQx, AK10xxx, - , AKxx so 4 D are cold......... B) B) I think after I pass, my pd will bid 4 H with this hand. Normal I think, so it goes down most of the time, but who knows maybe they will bid 5D, or lead the Ace of SP B) But this is normal bidding, and not resulting B) Mike ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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