Try for game?

[Echognome]

[hv=d=s&v=n&s=sa3hak763dt862ck5]133|100|Scoring: IMP

1♥ - 1♠

1N - 2♥

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You are playing a standard 2/1 system with your partner (i.e. no Bergen raises). This is how the bidding has gone thus far. If you don't like 1N as your rebid, then you can answer the same question having bid 2♦ (partner still bids 2♥).

 

What now?

[whereagles]

Isn't this a rather obvious pass? Or does pard have the magical

 

Kxxx

Qxx

x

QJTxx

[P_Marlowe]

Pass.

 

If you had bid 2D, the answer would be even

more clear.

Partner could have bid 2C (assuming you are

playing NMF or something similar), but he did not

do it.

 

We can start talking, if you hold a 3 card spade

suit, because in this case, you have the cheap

game 2S available, but you dont hold 3 spades.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Gpm_bg]

Pass.

 

If you had bid 2D, the answer would be even

more clear.

Partner could have bid 2C (assuming you are

playing NMF or something similar), but he did not

do it.

 

We can start talking, if you hold a 3 card spade

suit, because in this case, you have the cheap

game 2S available, but you dont hold 3 spades.

fully agree.

no forsing, so no tempting :)

throw pass quickly

[mcphee]

I think I would have to pass 2H when I re-bid 1N. If I were to make a try it would be 3D and we may not be at such a comfortable level, it is quite tempting however.Knowing partnership style with bidding 1S with 3 card H is worth knowing. When my rebid is 2D and I get 2H it is now clear pass.

[pclayton]

About a year ago we discussed this exact sequence and determined it showed a weak limit raise. Therefore I will make a game try.

[Guest Jlall]

Pass quickly.

 

I also remember the discussion about this sequence, I don't know when we determined it shows a limit raise but that still seems silly to me. You don't have to raise with KQxxx xxx xxx xx over 1H.

[HeartA]

Pass quickly.

 

I also remember the discussion about this sequence, I don't know when we determined it shows a limit raise but that still seems silly to me. You don't have to raise with KQxxx xxx xxx xx over 1H.

I second "Pass quickly". pd could be 5-2-1-5 with 5-7 hcp.

[Double !]

About a year ago we discussed this exact sequence and determined it showed a weak limit raise. Therefore I will make a game try.

Don't recall the thread that Phil mentioned, but I've been under the impression that the sequence 1H-1S-1NT-2H is different than 1H-1S-2D-2H, with the former showing better than a simple raise to 2 hearts (with some spades that are worth showing) and the latter only showing a preference. Like most things, this is ultimately a matter of partnership agreement, and I guess a case can be made for either treatment.

 

DHL

[civill]

Isn't this a rather obvious pass? Or does pard have the magical

 

Kxxx

Qxx

x

QJTxx

pass,

2♣ instead of 2♥ better for PD.

[the hog]

Isn't this a rather obvious pass? Or does pard have the magical

 

Kxxx

Qxx

x

QJTxx

Well if partner held that hand I doubt that any bridge player would bid 1S.

As it is, I pass. (Don't think twice, its alright.) Dylan.

[Winstonm]

You don't have to raise with KQxxx xxx xxx xx over 1H.

 

 

This is an argument I've never grasped - what is the point in bidding 1S? Partner is unlikely to raise spades on Axx, won't play spades on Ax, and even if he happens to hold 4S, unless he is strong enough to reverse what is the big gain?

 

However, if you do bid 2H, you have expessed the value of your hand in one bid, and that is always a good thing. The specific auction: 1H-1S-1N-2H only makes sense as a weak aution if you held something like AJxxx, xx, xxxx, xx, and even then 1N or 2S may be as good of spot.

 

To me, it makes better sense to play the sequence as a 3-card limit raise with at least 4 spades.

 

With this understanding, on the given hand I would bid 2N to show a balanced pattern with an interest but not quite enough to drive to game.

 

If I had bid 2D, I would pass 2H.

[Guest Jlall]

You don't have to raise with KQxxx xxx xxx xx over 1H.

 

 

This is an argument I've never grasped - what is the point in bidding 1S?

3) lead director

2) Allow partner to raise you. If he happens to raise you on 3 that will be a very good thing, and if he raises on 4 then that is also a very good thing.

1) slow the auction down (after 1H-1S-2x-2H partner is much less likely to start blasting to game than a direct raise) for much the same reason people bid 1N on weak hands with 3 hearts sometimes.