Wackojack Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=skq1087hkj87d3cq84]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv]Playing 2/1 in a local heat of the National Pairs, partner picks up this hand and passes. The bidding then goes:S W N Ep p 1♥ 2♣3♣4♣p pp We play:2NT is natural 3♠ is a jump fit 4♦ is a splinter3♣ is 3+ support at least to level3♥ and 4♥ is weakPartner decided that he did not want to commit to game with such a hand so the only forward going bid available was 3♣. Comments please.After opps raise to 4♣ and I pass, partner passes. Comments please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glen Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Partner decided that he did not want to commit to game with such a hand so only forward going bid available was 3♣. Comments please.Depends on partnership style for 3rd seat opening bids - if style is still decent opening bids I would make the 3♠ fit bid - if quite ratty 3rd seat hands allowed I could understand 3♣, but I would still bid 3♠ myself as I like the playing value of this hand in ♥s.After opps raise to 4♣ and I pass, partner passes. Comments please After the 4♣ let-me-push-you-to-game bid, responder can "picture" opener with short ♣s - with 4 trumps and source of tricks in ♠s I would push on to 4♥ here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 What kind of comments do you expect? This seems fine. I might have bid 3S immediately, but knowing how light my partners sometimes open in third seat I can't fault the 3C bid. Passing 4C seems consistent with that decision, certainly pass is not forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 After the 4♣ let-me-push-you-to-game bid, responder can "picture" opener with short ♣s - with 4 trumps and source of tricks in ♠s I would push on to 4♥ here. With a full opener and club shortness partner would have bid game himself, so it seems like partner indeed has a very light opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 3C is fine, but I would have bid 4H after 4C. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 It makes sense to play 2♠ here as a fit bid as well, doesn't it? Rather like in the unopposed auction P 1♥ 2♠ If I can't open a weak two, It is unlikley I have a hand without a ♥ fit which wants to mention ♠ rather than, say making a -ve double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 3C is fine, but I would have bid 4H after 4C. I would also force to game. I don't think partner can judge this hand over 3♣, he may be expecting a (semi-)balanced 10 count with 3-card support and this hand much stronger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 If you choose to force to game then it makes much more sense to bid 3S immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 4♥. The cross-shortness in the minors makes this a good proposition. There might be another decision coming over opps 5♣, but I guess I'll dbl that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 "If you choose to force to game then it makes much more sense to bid 3S immediately." That would be true if pd wasn't a third seat opener. Since he is, my "invitational" range is much wider than otherwise. The hand shown is a very easy GF opposite a first hand opener, and I would bid 3C with a significantly weaker hand than this. Also, the 4C bid makes it highly likely than we have opposing singletons in the minors - my hand just got better. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 I'm probably out of line. I would be hugely disappointed in partner. I'm OK with 3C, because its flexible - maybe not ideal. Pass out I cannot contemplate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 If you choose to force to game then it makes much more sense to bid 3S immediately. I meant to write this as well, but then I wasn't so sure. If we trust opponents have a 9-card fit, the hand not only got better due to partner's club shortness, it also makes it more likely he has 5 hearts.After 3C, I would respect partner's 3S sign-off, but move on if he makes a game try with 3♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Clearly a GF imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Seems like a clear opening bid. I would bid 3S over 2C and i would DEFINITELY bid 4H over 4C. If partner has a psyche you will very often make game. For instance Jxx AQxxx xxxx x, xx Axxxxx Axx xx, Axx Qxxxx Axx xx all produce nearly cold games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Hi, I think pass intead of 1S is ok,but I would bid 3S. It does not force to game, partnercan pass 3S, if he thinks 3S plays better has a chance to make and 4Hnot. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackojack Posted January 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 My cards were:♠xxx♥AQ1052♦KQ7♣xx4♣ was 1 off with most in 4♠ with 4 tricks off the top. Congratulations partner but you might have doubled. Only joking....This was the reality [hv=d=s&v=n&n=sj96haq1052da1075c9&w=sa43h9dk9642c6532&e=s52h643dqj8cakj107&s=skq1087hkj87d3cq84]399|300|Scoring: MP[/hv] 4♥ making an overtrick scoring a round zero btw we don't open especially light in this position but would tend to open on marginal hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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