Echognome Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 [hv=d=w&v=e&s=st65hq92dkqt9853c]133|100|Scoring: IMP(1♣)* - P - (1NT)** - 3♦(6♣) - P - (7♣) - P(P) - Dbl - (7NT) - P(P) - Dbl - All Pass[/hv]*16+ any shape**9+, 4432 or 4333, 2+ controls You stick in a 3♦ bid and suddenly the auction is in the stratosphere. What do you lead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Seems like pard has a major suit ace. Opps probably don't have long suits other than clubs, so they'll have from top 7 clubs, 1 diamond and at most 4 in a major suit. It would appear it doesn't matter which major we lead, but, if opps happen to have 8 running clubs, a heart lead might give away whole suit for 13 tricks when pard had the spade ace all the time. So I lead a spade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 I agree that partner must have a major suit ace for the auction to make any sense at all. Which major is a rather harder question! It's more likely that they have 13 on top if partner has the HA, because then they have 8 clubs, 4 spades and the DA. If partner has the SA it's less likely they have enough tricks... unless I give a 3rd heart trick on the lead, of course. I'm going to go with that and try a heart, hoping for the (likely) very short heart honours in dummy or the jack with partner. But I expect to be wrong at least 46% of the time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 The first double clearly shows a Major Ace. The second double should show lead directing information. It's imps, I don't care for an extra 100 points if a Vulnerable grand slam is at stake! Imo the 2nd double asks for a ♠ lead, pass would mean a ♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 That's a cute idea, but I doubt many pairs have discussed this - and if partner is clever enough to think of this on the fly, then he was clever enough to have not doubled 7C and given us this problem in the first place! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Pretty much a major suit guess. I guess spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 A heart, and whether that is right or wrong I am going to ask her why on earth she doubled 7♣. It's plain stupid. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 whether that is right or wrong I am going to ask her why on earth she doubled 7♣. It's plain stupid. Agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000002 Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 let's ponder the reason of 6♣ leap.1)pass is forcing , and suitable to any 2suiter.2)5♦ is void , with a solid unknown suit.3)4♦ is michael for popularity. so, this 6♣ leap surely is a special hand ,hardly to seek grand in the normal method .i guess the hand as below:AxxxxA----AQJTxxx consider east 7♣ raising and 9up+balanced restricted,we convince that she has 2Ace and 2king,in this case ,similarly ♦ A/♣K/♥K/♠K. Why NORTH punish 7♣ and east elude?The only reasonable causation is on ♣! 8320 on ♣ and north has QJx! i AGREE someone doubt this DBL,and i will suspicious of the poster's JOKE? regards 000002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Well, I agree that if partner is to be fully trusted she has a club trick. That makes both doubles make sense. But if she has a club trick I really doubt it matters what we lead, so I think it's fair to ignore that possibility and stick to the assumption that partner forgot we were going to be on lead against 7NT when she doubled 7C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 The 6♣ call is most strange. I'm not going to read anything into the 4432 / 4333 business. I can't see any compelling reason to lead a heart here, although its possible they have 13 cashing tricks off the ♥A. Its possible they needed a ruff in 7♣ and they need to find the ♥Q. Hopefully, hearts are 3-3 and I'll be counted out for 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 I can't change my vote, but I've changed my mind. Rather than assume partner was stupid, let's assume partner knows what he is doing. In that case he has a club trick, and I'm leading a diamond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 I can't change my vote, but I've changed my mind. Rather than assume partner was stupid, let's assume partner knows what he is doing. In that case he has a club trick, and I'm leading a diamond. Doesn't the headline suggest that partner is stupid? Why else name it "Important lead"? If she has a trump trick, it doesn't matter what you lead. I strongly suspect that she has an ace and that it is not the ace of diamonds. Which ace then? I don't know, but I will find out regardless. I can hardly wait till Matt presents us with the full hand. I am not sure that partner deserves TLC after that! Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted January 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 [hv=d=e&v=n&n=st65hq92dkqt9853c&w=saj42h8743daj2c85&e=skq93hkdcakqt9432&s=s87hajt65d764cj76]399|300|Scoring: IMP1♣ - P - 1N - 3♦6♣ - P - 7♣ - PP - Dbl - All Pass[/hv] Sorry for the delay. My partner and I had a bet on the outcome of the hypothetical poll. At the table I raised to grand which perhaps is too much with the dubious value of the ♦A. I didn't pull to 7NT and our hero south lead a diamond, so that was 1630. However, after the hand I asked what if I had pulled to 7NT, do you think North would have found a heart. Partner said no. I said yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 At least I got the lead right. However, it's time to tell South what a !!%*^#!" idiot she is. And then I rest my case because I need some time to find a new partner :wacko: Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000002 Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Now, i think i'm no word to commentate what this 4players are doing on this table -- but--- crazy . :wacko: Joke too regards 000002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulven Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 When I saw the lead I thought a heart lead was clear. Why??Because partner should be played for a major-ace as most think. and unsolicited slam-jumps are always (usually) made with internally solid suits and distribution. Looking a heart Q we "know" that West has spades as sidesuit. Lead a heart as the spade Ace will never get away. I've applied similar reasoning in other situations as well. /ulven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000002 Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 oh NO!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF this dbl can be right as u accept it ;if this 6♣ leap was right too as u accept yet,i can structure another hand that u should lead ♠:[hv=n=sxxxhq9xdkqtxxxxc&w=skxxxhk8xdajxxcxx&e=sxhatxdcakq765432&s=sa7654hxxxxdxxcxx]399|300|[/hv] the only deathful lead is ♠.:wacko::):) regards 000002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulven Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 That's a BS example. They´re in gameforcing auction and 4C would be forcing and responder wouldn't raise unless 2 aces. If you can't understand/accept my logic explanation, and want to play "games", then go ahead and amuse yourself. I'm not accepting the double in your terms. I'm playing with someone who's doubled and now it's up to me to solve the situation. Don't whine - reason! N.B. As one of the few persons here who´s played on Roland's team IRL, maybe my mental capabilities and/or judgement can be questioned... ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000002 Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 :wacko::):):) IF u NEED 2aces to raise 7♣ , shift ♥ Ace from east's hand to weast:):):)in fact , i limited this raising with 2ace 2king which i indicated in the prior post. what is BS? could u give me a spot (web?)to learn ,thanks. regards 000002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 I see I was right about the short heart honours in dummy! Doesn't the headline suggest that partner is stupid? Why else name it "Important lead"? If she has a trump trick, it doesn't matter what you lead. I strongly suspect that she has an ace and that it is not the ace of diamonds. When you're given it as a lead problem in the BBO forum you are absolutely right: you know it's going to make if you lead the wrong thing, so a diamond can't be right, and we are back to our arguments about why a heart is better than a spade. But at the table, you don't know it's a risk of making: all you know is that partner doubled 7C and then doubled 7NT. For all we know a diamond lead is going to generate an enormous penalty while anything else is one off. Partner should have something like QJ10 J1098 Jx J1098 for this double and declarer's going to have to duck the diamond lead at trick one to get out for 2 off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 N.B. As one of the few persons who´s played on Roland's team IRL, maybe my mental capabilities and/or judgement can be questioned... ;-) Playing with you, Ulf, I would obviously have led a heart as I did here. However, I would never have been in this situation. Never in your wildest dreams would you or any other *sane Swede* double 7♣ :wacko: (* yes, they exist) Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulven Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Always a diplomat, Roland! (aren't you semi-swede?) regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Always a diplomat, Roland! (aren't you semi-swede?) regards I'm afraid so. My father is Swedish, still going strong at 85. He wouldn't have doubled 7♣ either because he doesn't play bridge (not that the double of 7♣ has anything to do with bridge of course). Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Speaking of stupid doubles, this is arguably the worst the world has seen so far: [hv=d=n&v=n&n=shakq105da1097ckq76&w=sak10632h62dqj643c&e=sq98hj73dk852cj108&s=sj754h984dca95432]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv]European Championships 1997, Montecatini, Italy. Sweden vs. Germany. The German North opened 1♥, 1♠ response by South and some Swede bid a natural 2♠ as West. Next came 4♠ from North (Rath) intended as a splinter with a powerful hand. The bidding tray passed across to Tomski, who glanced in puzzlement at his partner’s response and, abiding by the old bridge proverb “When in doubt, pass”, put a disastrous green card on the tray. "I think I can beat this", said the Swede to himself, so he doubled!!??? Moments later the Germans had wriggled their way to 7♣! 1440. He that is of a greedy spirit stirreth up strife; but he that putteth his trust in the Lord shall be abundantly gratified (Proverbs 28/25). Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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