bid_em_up Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 2/1, assume new suit would be forcing, any immediate diamond raise is preemptive, you hear: (1♣)-2♦-(p)-? 2♦ is preemptive, and you hold: [hv=d=l&v=&s=skq10xhkqjxxdakxxc]133|100|Scoring: IMP Pairs tourny[/hv] What is your plan, and does the fact that it is just a random IMP tourny (with a regular partner) affect your decision? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted January 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Why did the suits not come across in the poll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Does random IMP tourney mean I'm playing with a random partner? :unsure: With a good player across, I'm trying EKCB 5♣ anyway. Not sure we've talked about this, but EKCB responses should be 0314. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Well if we've definitely agreed exclusion and 0314 responses to it, 5♣ seems reasonable. But if this is a pickup partner (even a good one) and we haven't discussed it, I'm not going to blast 5♣. It carries too much potential for an accident when a 4♣ or 3♣ bid is fairly sure to get you to the slam when partner happens to hold a major suit ace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 5C with a parnter who I've discussed it with, 4C with a partner who I haven't discussed it with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Well if we've definitely agreed exclusion and 0314 responses to it, 5♣ seems reasonable. But if this is a pickup partner (even a good one) and we haven't discussed it, I'm not going to blast 5♣. It carries too much potential for an accident when a 4♣ or 3♣ bid is fairly sure to get you to the slam when partner happens to hold a major suit ace.Agreed (almost) I would not risk 5♣, since my trump suit is inadequate for play in that suit. I would splinter 4♣ and then have a tough call over the expected 4♦ (after all, he may be reluctant to cue an Ace no matter what he has, since he is not looking at a very good ♦ suit and our splinter sounds like a loser there. I think I'd bid 5♣, as the strongest possible slam try...bidding 4♥ would work if he holds the ♠A, but not otherwise. The truth is that he probably can't bid slam anyway....maybe not even with a major A, altho on a high level, he should. Obviously this is why exclusion, if playing 0314, is best. BTW, how many players use two different keycard schemes (3 if you count specialized keycard after our preempts)? I know that my partners and I play 1430 throughout, so we couldn't afford exclusion here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halo Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 5C Apparently this is exclusion. There may be a better hand for it in my life but I'm not waiting for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted January 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Sorry, Random tournament, regular partner. Exclusion has been discussed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 5♣ is the scientific bid, but I wonder 5♦ wouldn't fare better... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 5C Apparently this is exclusion. There may be a better hand for it in my life but I'm not waiting for it.and you play 1430? If so, this is an Ace away from being the perfect hand for it. I wonder how many posters now 'realize' that they play 1430 usually and 0314 in exclusion, without ever having actually discussed it :unsure: Not that I am suggesting that you fall into this category... I have NO reason to think so.. but I am suspicious (generally, not specifically) when we get landslide votes for actions justified by looking at the hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted January 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Obviously this is why exclusion, if playing 0314, is best. BTW, how many players use two different keycard schemes (3 if you count specialized keycard after our preempts)? I know that my partners and I play 1430 throughout, so we couldn't afford exclusion here. Mike, I play 2 keycard schemes (normally 1430, but 0314 for exclusion) for this very reason (and yes, it has been discussed with partner). I think playing responses to exclusion are better served to be 0314, not 1430. If partner has no outside keycards (entirely possible here), he will take you past 5♦, which might have been your last makeable contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted January 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Oddly enough, I am ashamed to admit what I actually did.....even though I know 5♣ is the correct systemic bid in our system. Figuring that opener would take a direct 5♦ call as preemptive, I attempted one of my few masterminds, and bid 5♦, expecting it to be doubled (and then redoubled by me). Needless to say, it went all pass......for a less than stellar result. :unsure: I also find it somewhat disturbing that 17/52 pairs actually managed to reside in some number of hearts (either 4H or 6H) as partner held: [hv=s=sjxhaxxdqj10xxxcxx]133|100|[/hv] I cant imagine anyone not overcalling 2D (assuming the bid is available to them) and I dont see any point in bidding 2H when the diamond slam is totally visible dependent on partners keycard holding. I suppose its different if you dont have exclusion available to you, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Obviously this is why exclusion, if playing 0314, is best. BTW, how many players use two different keycard schemes (3 if you count specialized keycard after our preempts)? I know that my partners and I play 1430 throughout, so we couldn't afford exclusion here. With all of my regular partners I always say exclusion is always 0314 (even though we play 1430). I think its useful since exclusion is often so high that 1430 would force you to slam opposite 0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 BTW, how many players use two different keycard schemes (3 if you count specialized keycard after our preempts)? I know that my partners and I play 1430 throughout, so we couldn't afford exclusion here. I do. (I still play 1430 after preempts, except it can sometimes be done by 4♣ or 4♦, so it's just 2 different scheemes.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Jlall Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 BTW, how many players use two different keycard schemes (3 if you count specialized keycard after our preempts)? I know that my partners and I play 1430 throughout, so we couldn't afford exclusion here. I do. (I still play 1430 after preempts, except it can sometimes be done by 4♣ or 4♦, so it's just 2 different scheemes.) heh...1430 after preempts doesnt make much sense since 4 and 3 are impossible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted January 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 I go for 3♦ that should be strong and forcing, lets hear what partner has to say. Really? You play a simple raise of a preempt as forcing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 I go for 3♦ that should be strong and forcing, lets hear what partner has to say. Really? You play a simple raise of a preempt as forcing? Sorry misread the auction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Well, this depends on the kind of RKC you're playing :o - 1430 I'll bid 4♣- 3041 I'll bid 5♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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