Which game?

[xx1943]

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West  North East  South

   -         -        -        1♠

  Dbl    2♣*   Pass    2♠          *2♣ shows 10+HCPs and a good 5+-suiter

  3♥     p**   Pass    ???         **pass shows Minimum for the bid

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I bid in a ftf team-match 4♦ without any thinking :o and was sure I had described my 64 hand perfectly.

But I found myself playing 5♦ doubled in the badest of the 3 thinkable games with

 

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West North East South

 

- - - 1♠

Dbl 2♣ Pass 2♠

3♥ Pass Pass 4♦

Pass 5♦ Pass Pass

Dbl Pass Pass Pass

 

 

Is 4♦ wrong and why? Should I bid 2♦ instead of 2♠ :)

 

Looking forwrd your advices

 

Al

 

 

Merry x-mas and happy new year to all

[the hog]

Why didn't you support? Why hide your C support and make your partner guess? I would have bid 3C followed by 4S which no doubt pd would have passed. Why do players persist in hiding support??????

[Codo]

I always prefer to show my two suiter if possible, so I had bid 2 Diamond and later 3 Club after a possible 2 Heart bid from lho.

I had not been able to support direct, because this had shown game forcing values in the systems I play.

If I had bid 2 Spade (and this hand could well be bid as a one suiter with these spades), I would bid 4 Club now. There is no need to search a Diamond fit, because I have a suit where I need no fit to play there (Spades) and a fit in the other minor.

So the descission is between 4 Club and 3 or 4 Spade. I would bid Clubs.

[cherdano]

Well I also prefer 3♣ over 2♠, but that's not such a big deal. What is a big deal is 4♦ - you know you have an 8-card fit in clubs, so you have to tell partner about it (especially as you can take heart ruffs in the short trump hand when playing in clubs, sounds much better than playing a 4-3 fit in diamonds when you have to take heart ruffs in the long hand :) )

 

By the way, my biggest problem with 2♠ is that it looks like an underbid to me - it will often end the auction when partner fears a misfit when you have game on.

[jikl]

I would have bid 3♣ instead of 2♠ also since when partner has the right hand for 5♣ they will just bid it. With the minor suit fit partner is still going to try for 3NT which means I can bid 3♠ on the way.

 

Sean

[Halo]

I would normally show a second suit with 2D. This hand may be the limit of the concept, and I wouldn't object that much to a two spades bid. In this style of 2 over 1, I would expect to have to play in game if I supported clubs: not the end of the world either.

 

Now I'm going to bid 3S, because I expect some wasted heart values opposite, and nine is less than ten. My second choice would be 4C.

[whereagles]

In the situation described I'd have bid 4♣ or 3♠, depending on whether I was playing with the_hog or not :)

[pbleighton]

4C.

 

You have 3 clubs, and a void.

 

You have already rebid your spades.

 

4D is (to my mind) forcing, and too much given that we have 21-23 hcp between us.

 

If we have a game, it is most likely in clubs, and then only if pd has a lot of distribution.

 

Peter

[Guest Jlall]

I like 2S a lot. I do have a suit very playable opposite a stiff. I can't imagine wanting to raise clubs with this hand. If I have 6 to 100 honors in a major I will always try and play that suit unless I have a good reason not to. 3 little clubs is not a good reason. How will we ever convince partner to pass our later spade bids with a stiff? And how will the play go in clubs if partner has a stiff spade? If spades don't run we're not producing many tricks for partner, and I'd rather score my spades with them as trumps. If spades do run...well...we should be in spades.

 

Over 3H I would back in with... you guessed it... 3 spades. Partner could still easily have 2 spades (it seems to me that 2C was forcing since it showed 10+).

 

FWIW opposite partners actual hand I would be very happy to play in spades rather than a minor. The play in clubs is either going to go very well or pretty brutal. The play in diamonds is almost always going to be brutal. Spades on the other hand should play quite nicely unless you run into a 5-1 split and even then you have some hope.

 

Also, I'm a big fan of bidding my side 4 card suit but not when I have a 0 or 1 loser suit 6 card suit.

[mike777]

[hv=d=s&v=n&s=sakqt64hdqt74ct75]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

West  North East  South

   -         -        -        1♠

  Dbl    2♣*   Pass    2♠          *2♣ shows 10+HCPs and a good 5+-suiter

  3♥     p**   Pass    ???         **pass shows Minimum for the bid

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I bid in a ftf team-match 4♦ without any thinking :o and was sure I had described my 64 hand perfectly.

But I found myself playing 5♦ doubled in the badest of the 3 thinkable games with

 

[hv=d=s&v=n&n=s2h972da853ckqj94&s=sakqt64hdqt74ct75]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

West North East South

 

- - - 1♠

Dbl 2♣ Pass 2♠

3♥ Pass Pass 4♦

Pass 5♦ Pass Pass

Dbl Pass Pass Pass

 

 

Is 4♦ wrong and why? Should I bid 2♦ instead of 2♠ :P

 

Looking forwrd your advices

 

Al

 

 

Merry x-mas and happy new year to all

Excellent post, ty for putting it up. There is alot to think and learn from this hand.

[mikeh]

I really don't like the method, in which 2♣ shows 10+ hcp: it is a far cry from standard, altho that is not why I don't like it.

 

Anyway, having agreed to play it, I like the 2♠ rebid, and wouldn't seriously consider any alternative. After 3♥, 4♦ would never occur to me. How can we essentially force to 4♠ on this hand? That is what 4♦ does...unless by some minor miracle (sorry for the pun) partner holds 4+♦s!

 

Your logical choices must surely be 4♣ or 3♠. 3♠ would be the clear choice at mps, since even with a bad trump break, we rate to elope with our small trumps and partner will have something over there to help us win the needed outside tricks to outscore the ♣ partial that we are aiming for otherwise. At imps, it is a bit more difficult. However, on a bad ♠ break, our hand may be of very little use to partner, so I agree with Justin's 3♠ choice.

[jdeegan]

<_< 3♠, but 4♣ is a close second. This is a very instructive hand. The principle, as I see it, is simple. We are now at the 3♥ level, and it is time to quit telling and start placing the contract. I have 11 HCP and partner has, on the bidding, maybe 10 or 11 HCP. Our distribution is useful, but our limit on this hand is likely no more than 9 or 10 tricks. So, my next bid should indicate a place to play. My spade suit is good enough, imo, to bid again.