kgr Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 [hv=d=n&v=b&s=s3hkqt976432dt3c8]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]Your partner opens 1C and RHO passes.What do you bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csdenmark Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 Dealer: North Vul: Both Scoring: IMP ♠ 3 ♥ KQT976432 ♦ T3 ♣ 8 Your partner opens 1C and RHO passes.What do you bid?Cheapest forcing bids until at least game has been reached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 4H. This isn't a splinter bid. It's possible I'll miss a slam (though many of the hands that make slam partner will bid with), but it's more important to preempt the auction immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 Hi, 1H, followed by 4H, ... and we will play in hearts, unless he bids7S. It depends on your agreement,but 4H would be a splinter for me. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 Hi, 1H, followed by 4H, ... and we will play in hearts, unless he bids7S. It depends on your agreement,but 4H would be a splinter for me. With kind regardsMarlowe I bid 4♥. I presume 3♥ would be a splinter, so what is the difference in hand type if 4♥ is a splinter as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 I lean towards 4♥, though I admit to an unhealthy fascination with 4NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 I'm torn between 4♥ and 1♥. With 4♥ we might miss slam but I'm not so sure we will be able to do accurate slam investigation if I start with 1♥ and opps intervene. I think it's more likely that 4♥ will prevent opps from bidding 4♠. Then again, I know what to do over 4♠ (I bid 5♥). I think I bid 4♥ because of the doubleton spades and the fact that LHO is an unpassed hand. I "know" that LHO will bid some number of spades over 4♥. And no, it's not a splinter. You could use 3♥ as a splinter which would at least allow you to end in 3NT, but even that would be a silly agreement, IMHO. There's plenty of bidding space after a forcing 2♣ raise, that bid doesn't have to deny a singleton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 And no, it's not a splinter. You could use 3♥ as a splinter which would at least allow you to end in 3NT, but even that would be a silly agreement, IMHO. There's plenty of bidding space after a forcing 2♣ raise, that bid doesn't have to deny a singleton. Ouch. Helene, splinter are my friends, please don't attack them. :D I definitely would not want to play 1m-3M as anything but a splinter, I think they are great. (If you have a system to show shortness and extras after 1C-2C, I will concede of course.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 And no, it's not a splinter. You could use 3♥ as a splinter which would at least allow you to end in 3NT, but even that would be a silly agreement, IMHO. There's plenty of bidding space after a forcing 2♣ raise, that bid doesn't have to deny a singleton. Ouch. Helene, splinter are my friends, please don't attack them. :D I definitely would not want to play 1m-3M as anything but a splinter, I think they are great. (If you have a system to show shortness and extras after 1C-2C, I will concede of course.) I think that was her point. You should certainly have some way to show shortness after 1C-2C given all the room you have. 1m-3M as preemptive is very very useful, and you can put the splinters into the inverted raise. But I digress... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 And no, it's not a splinter. You could use 3♥ as a splinter which would at least allow you to end in 3NT, but even that would be a silly agreement, IMHO. There's plenty of bidding space after a forcing 2♣ raise, that bid doesn't have to deny a singleton. Ouch. Helene, splinter are my friends, please don't attack them. ;) I definitely would not want to play 1m-3M as anything but a splinter, I think they are great. (If you have a system to show shortness and extras after 1C-2C, I will concede of course.) I think that was her point. You should certainly have some way to show shortness after 1C-2C given all the room you have. 1m-3M as preemptive is very very useful, and you can put the splinters into the inverted raise. But I digress...I guess I should have been more specific: I like to be able to show shortness below 3N - I think it is a misunderstanding to think of splinters for minors as only a slam tool, they are quite useful as choice of games (with modest slam interest implied).So if you and Helene can do that below 3N, we are all happy :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 I guess I should have been more specific: I like to be able to show shortness below 3N - I think it is a misunderstanding to think of splinters for minors as only a slam tool, they are quite useful as choice of games (with modest slam interest implied).So if you and Helene can do that below 3N, we are all happy ;) So after all we all agree :-) Happy Newyear ♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 As long as not playing that 4♥ is a splinter, this looks like a nice hand for a preemptive jump to game. If PD has a control oriented hand he can carry onwards since he has to suspect that I can take lots of tricks with ♥ as trump to bid 4♥ vulnerable. Certainly I am at the top of my 4♥ bid as far as offence goes, but sometimes the opps are getting to 4♠ if I slow play the hand. Replying 1♥ and then jumping to 4♥ is OK, and might just find a bit more slams, but it also lets the opps in and looking at my hand I have to bid at the 5 level if they bid to a pointed suit game. On some days, the opps have a cold slam here, inspite of PD's opening. Slight pref for 4♥ rather than 1♥ for me. .. neilkaz .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csdenmark Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 Looks like distribution is ♣ + ♥ and ♦ + ♠. Therefore I think for both sides 4 MAJOR will make and no slam will make. The problem looks to me whether 5♠ will make. The interesting decision is therefore 5♥DBL or 5♠. For that the info is insufficient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikestar Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 Not close for me. 4♥ then bid one more over any number of spades they bid if partner can't double them. Come to think of it, if we have the understanding that it is preemptive, a direct 5♥ isn't so bad--it will really put them to the guess plus the information that I'm defenseless but too good offensively to settle for 4♥ will let partner bid some slams that he will miss over 4♥. The downside is the possibility of down one (or one more) in the event they would sell to 4♥ or partner could double 4♠ successfully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted December 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2006 [hv=d=n&v=b&s=s3hkqt976432dt3c8]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]Your partner opens 1C and RHO passes.What do you bid? I did bid 4NT. Preemptive and still keeping 6H in the picture.Nobody else seems to like this. What is wrong with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 27, 2006 Report Share Posted December 27, 2006 A preemptive 4NT ace-ask? That seems like something out of a Rueful Rabbit book :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 I second "1H followed by 4H". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 I would bid 4NT. There is nothing wrong with that bid except that you might get too high. I'm willing to risk that to simplify the auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 [hv=d=n&v=b&s=s3hkqt976432dt3c8]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]Your partner opens 1C and RHO passes.What do you bid? 1♥ (WTP) <_< --- partner HAS to bid again to clarify his hand :) Then depending on WHAT partner bids I will force to at least 4 ♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted December 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 [hv=n=sak4hda542cak9654&w=st8765hj5dkj976cj&e=sqj92ha8dq8cqt732&s=s3hkqt976432dt3c8]399|300|[/hv]Thanks for answers.Here the full hand and bidding at our table:1C-4NT5C-5H7C-(DBL)-7HP-(DBL)Result: -2 after a club lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csdenmark Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 Dealer: ????? Vul: ???? Scoring: Unknown ♠ AK4 ♥ [space] ♦ A542 ♣ AK9654 ♠ T8765 ♥ J5 ♦ KJ976 ♣ J ♠ QJ92 ♥ A8 ♦ Q8 ♣ QT732 ♠ 3 ♥ KQT976432 ♦ T3 ♣ 8 Thanks for answers.Here the full hand and bidding at our table:1C-4NT5C-5H7C-(DBL)-7HP-(DBL)Result: -2 after a club lead.This is an example of why it is still so that good hands must be progressed slowly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 Oh yeah? I think the correct bidding is 1♣ 4♥PASS 4♥ = long suit (1-2 losers), nothing else outside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 This is an example of why it is still so that good hands must be progressed slowly Hmmm I think its an example why you need to be careful chosing your partners. 7♣ is completely insane. I can ALMOST understand a 6♣ bid. Presumably opener intended that 5♣ show 0 or 3 key cards with clubs as trump. Partner's 5♥ bid denied interest in slam opposite zero key cards. 6♣ would confirm three keys, and offer a choice of strain. 6♥ is actually a pretty decent contract. Doesn't make on a club lead, but I've been in worse slams. On the other hand, 7♣ is just asking for trouble. Your club suit isn't nearly strong enough to play for no losers opposite x or even xx. You certainly don't have any tolerance for partner's heart suit. I agree with comments that 4NT should not be keycard for clubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 >Your partner opens 1C and RHO passes.>What do you bid? Cheapest forcing bids until at least game has been reached. Are you seriously suggesting responding 1♦? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csdenmark Posted December 28, 2006 Report Share Posted December 28, 2006 >Your partner opens 1C and RHO passes.>What do you bid? Cheapest forcing bids until at least game has been reached. Are you seriously suggesting responding 1♦?certainly not - but I wondered why no overcall. My initial bid will of course be 1♥ and then I want to be able to take advantage from interference, basically cue bidding. The outcome looks like I will not be able to buy for 4♥, which I suspected earlier. Then I need some guidance of what to do in 5 level as I dont believe in 6-level. I assumed distribution to be more unbalanced than it really was. 5♥DBL is the perfect contract. I need to be able to have something for a DBL of a possible 5♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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