MOSCITO VuGraph

[hrothgar]

Hi All

 

I recently discovered that the OzOne Team playing exhibition matches on BBO. A number of these matches feature Paul Marston (PM) playing his latest MOSCITO variant. Demuy and Del'Monte are playing something similar.

 

I know that there was some interest in arranging some MOSCITO Vugraph's earlier in the year. Regretfully, we never managed to put this together but serendipity seems to be smiling on us.

 

The next Vugraph will take place on December 23rd and feature a strong Australian team versus some of Irelands's best.

 

Marston-Prescott / Demuy-Del'Monte vs

McGann-Hanlon / Garvey-Carroll

 

The match is listed as 8:00 PM. I have the unfortunate feeling that this is Sydney time, meaning that the match will kick off at 4:00 AM here in Boston.

 

There is another match scheduled for the 28th versus Jimmy Cayne's team. This one kicks off at a much more civilized 7:30 PM Eastern Standard Time.

[inquiry]

Hi All

 

I recently discovered that the OzOne Team playing exhibition matches on BBO. A number of these matches feature Paul Marston (PM) playing his latest MOSCITO variant.

 

I know that there was some interest in arranging some MOSCITO Vugraph's earlier in the year. Regretfully, we never managed to put this together but serendipity seems to be smiling on us.

 

The next Vugraph will take place on December 23rd and feature a strong Australian team versus some of Irelands's best.

 

Marston-Prescott / Demuy-Del'Monte vs

McGann-Hanlon / Garvey-Carroll

 

The match is listed as 8:00 PM. I have the unfortunate feeling that this is Sydney time, meaning that the match will kick off at 4:00 AM here in Boston.

 

There is another match scheduled for the 28th versus Jimmy Cayne's team. This one kicks off at a much more civilized 7:30 PM Eastern Standard Time.

If that is listed in the BBO Vugraph page, then the time is local to your IP address. So assuming you logged in from a boston address, the time would be correct.

 

Sadly, I think there are no more vugraphs listed before christmas, so you must have found this vugraph thing somewhere else, in which case the time is probably local to whoever posted it.

[hrothgar]

Hi All

 

I recently discovered that the OzOne Team playing exhibition matches on BBO.  A number of these matches feature Paul Marston (PM) playing his latest MOSCITO variant.

 

I know that there was some interest in arranging some MOSCITO Vugraph's earlier in the year.  Regretfully, we never managed to put this together but serendipity seems to be smiling on us.

 

The next Vugraph will take place on December 23rd and feature a strong Australian team versus some of Irelands's best.

 

Marston-Prescott / Demuy-Del'Monte vs

McGann-Hanlon / Garvey-Carroll

 

The match is listed as 8:00 PM.  I have the unfortunate feeling that this is Sydney time, meaning that the match will kick off at 4:00 AM here in Boston.

 

There is another match scheduled for the 28th versus Jimmy Cayne's team.  This one kicks off at a much more civilized 7:30 PM Eastern Standard Time.

If that is listed in the BBO Vugraph page, then the time is local to your IP address. So assuming you logged in from a boston address, the time would be correct.

 

Sadly, I think there are no more vugraphs listed before christmas, so you must have found this vugraph thing somewhere else, in which case the time is probably local to whoever posted it.

Found it all on the Oz One web page which is indeed based on EDST (Sydney)

http://www.oz-one.com.au/

[inquiry]

The next Vugraph will take place on December 23rd and feature a strong Australian team versus some of Irelands's best.

Ahha... ok, this isn't technically a vugraph event. It is just a team match (of course, there will be more than 200 kibitzers no doubt). I actually saw an earlier match that was played.

[1eyedjack]

I am interested in seeing this but I just cannot work out what time it will be on UK time. We are 11 hours out from Sydney, but I don't know whether to add or to subtract. Sort of makes a difference which day it is. Any help out there?

[inquiry]

I am interested in seeing this but I just cannot work out what time it will be on UK time. We are 11 hours out from Sydney, but I don't know whether to add or to subtract. Sort of makes a difference which day it is. Any help out there?

Watch it virtually, by looking up the hands after the fact.

[1eyedjack]

I am interested in seeing this but I just cannot work out what time it will be on UK time.  We are 11 hours out from Sydney, but I don't know whether to add or to subtract.  Sort of makes a difference which day it is.  Any help out there?

Watch it virtually, by looking up the hands after the fact.

I would miss out on any kibitzer chat.

Come to think of it ... great idea.

[inquiry]

I am interested in seeing this but I just cannot work out what time it will be on UK time.  We are 11 hours out from Sydney, but I don't know whether to add or to subtract.  Sort of makes a difference which day it is.  Any help out there?

Watch it virtually, by looking up the hands after the fact.

I would miss out on any kibitzer chat.

Come to think of it ... great idea.

Lol....

 

Well to be honest, if you are going to "watch" a moscito auction, having access to explainations of the auction might be very helpful.. I saw a 2D opening the other night on...

 

Qxxx

xxxxx

x

xxx

 

Not vul versus vul, alerted at "majors weak"... We thought it meand MAJORLY WEAK... lol....

[1eyedjack]

I suppose I could ask someone who watches it live to log the chat and message it to me. It means I could not contribute to the chat, which would be a welcome blessing to the public at large.

[mrdct]

The Oz-One website has system cards or at least system summaries of all four pairs in the squad, three of whom are playing moscito in one form or another. Accordingly, for all Oz-One matches there will be at least one pair playing moscito.

 

For the match on Saturday night against Ireland, 8:00pm in Sydney is 9:00am in London and 4:00am in New York.

 

For the matches against Cayne, these have been pencilled in for Thursdays at 11:30am in Sydney which is 12:30am in London and Wednesday 7:30pm in New York (previous day).

 

These aren't vugraph matches per se, but can be found under "Click to Play or Watch Bridge" -> "Teams Matches".

[Gerben42]

Setting matches with Australia is very tough so I think they did well to have one match that America can watch and one that Europe can watch.

[hrothgar]

I was trying to find the hand records for last night's match

 

Sartaj told me that the Aussies pulled it out in a sqeaker, but I can't find any hand records listed under any of the usual names.

[1eyedjack]

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[glen]

Of the variations on the web site, I really like the Del'Monte - Demuy one, as seen here: ID-VD system

 

If I was tailoring it to me, I would make the following mods:

 

1) I would frequently upgrade to 15-17, so 1NT would be 14/15-17, and 17s balanced often are upgraded to the 1♣ opening;

2) With 6-4/5-5+ in the minors I would open 2♣ or 2♦;

3) That would leave the 1♠ opening as 11-14 balanced or 5-4/4-5 in the minors with 1-3/2-2/3-1 in the majors - this would allow frequent responses right to the final contract, such as 1♠-4♠, 1♠-3NT, 1♠-5♦, 1♠-3♣ etc.

 

Now that's a kick-bottom system imo.

[hrothgar]

As Dave mentions, three of the four Oz One pairs are using similar methods

 

Strong Club

Transfer Opening Bids (1♦ = Hearts, 1♥ = Spades, 1♠ = Diamonds)

1NT = 11+ - 14

2♣ = 6+ Clubs

 

However, there seem to be a lot of variations in the relay structures over the strong club and personal tweaks to the response structures.

 

So far, the system seems to be holding up well. The Aussies have been winning a good number of matches against strong competition. (Of course, this could simply mean that those insidious transfer openigns need to be banned.)

 

Paul really likes to tinker with the system. Most recently, he's been trying to improve the response structures over the transfer opening bids. He's using a mixture of transfer advances and relays.

 

Lets assume that I open 1♦ showing 4+ Hearts

 

1H = relay (game invite or natural 1NT response)

1S = natural and forcing

1N = transfer to clubs

2♣ = transfer to diamonds

2♦ = good reaise to 2♥

2♥ = weak raise to 2♥

 

Unfortunately, I don't have detailed notes describing the continuations

[Echognome]

Lets assume that I open 1♦ showing 4+ Hearts

 

1H = relay (game invite or natural 1NT response)

1S = natural and forcing

1N = transfer to clubs

2♣ = transfer to diamonds

2♦ = good reaise to 2♥

2♥ = weak raise to 2♥

Over a similar 1♦ opening in Echo club, we play:

 

1♥ = GF relay

1♠ = Nat, F1, <GF

1NT = Nat, NF

2♣ = Any INV, <4♥

2♦ = Limit (i.e. INV with 4♥)

2♥ = Bad ♥ raise

 

Am happy to share the continuations with anyone that's interested.

[mrdct]

I was trying to find the hand records for last night's match

 

Sartaj told me that the Aussies pulled it out in a sqeaker, but I can't find any hand records listed under any of the usual names.

It was 31-31 with a board to play when this wild hand came up:

 

[hv=d=w&v=b&n=sqj92hk9843d976c2&w=st73haqj7652da43c&e=shtdjt52caqt98754&s=sak8654hdkq8ckj63]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

In the closed room Oz-One (Hans-Nunn) played in 5♣X-1. In the open room Garvey (sitting East for Ireland) never mentioned his 8-card ♣ suit and sold out to 4♠ which Aussie Vince Demuy brought home for a 9 imp gain to take the match 40-31 in front of about 250 kibitzers.

 

The LIN file should be (but isn't as I write this) on the Oz-One website shortly. In the meantime, board-by-board LINs are on the BBO site here.

[hrothgar]

Paul was kind enough to send me the latest set of system revisions. Its gonna take some time for me to figure out whats going on and a lot longer for me to decide whether or not I like them. However, here is the important stuff:

 

First, all balanced 11+ - 14 HCP hands get opened 1NT (including 5-4-2-2 patterns with both minors). Consequently, 1M openings are now unbalanced.

 

Second, MOSCITO is using transfer responses to the major suit openings. 1N = Clubs, 2♣ = Diamonds, 2♦ = Hearts. The transfers show (roughly) 7-11 HCP.

 

Third, a 1♥ relay over a 1♦ opening shows one of three different hand types

 

1. A natural, non-forcing NT response

2. Game invitational values with NT oriented hand or a heart fit

3. Any game force

 

Fourth, a 1♠ relay over a 1♥ opening shows one of three different hand types

 

1. A natural non-forcing 1NT response

2. Game invitational values with a NT oriented hand or a Spade fit

3. Any game force

 

Fifth, a 2♥ response to a 1♠ opening shows 5♥ and 4♥. (This is actually one of my little innovations, though I prefer using this to show 4+ / 4+ in the majors. Still, you saw it here first)

[the hog]

I like the transfer responses. They appear to be based on Magic Diamond ideas.

I suspect the relay/non relay responses might be subject to pre emption and take a bit of handling.

[awm]

The Moscito team was playing against Cayne's team today starting around 5 pm PST. I was wondering if anyone managed to capture a .lin file for the match.

[inquiry]

The Moscito team was playing against Cayne's team today starting around 5 pm PST. I was wondering if anyone managed to capture a .lin file for the match.

here it is, i will delete this post in a day or two...

 

I have removed the lin file now... as mrdct said, the files are available on the oz-one web page...

Edited December 28, 2006 by inquiry

[keylime]

Thanks Ben!

 

Richard,

 

Was there any insight on how the G/F is untangled over 1M openings? Any mention of interference handling?

[hrothgar]

Thanks Ben!

 

Richard,

 

Was there any insight on how the G/F is untangled over 1M openings? Any mention of interference handling?

Hi Dwayne

 

I wasn't involved in the development of the new relay structures over 1♦ / 1♥ openings and don't claim to understand them that well. Personally, I'm worried that they are too vulnerable to preemption.

 

As I understand matters, the relay asker can have one of four basic hand types:

 

1. A weak NT oriented hand with ~7-10 HCP

 

2. An invitational NT oriented hand with ~ 11-12 HCP

 

3. Certain game invitational hands with trump support (I believe that most hands suitable for a fit jump would start with a transfer response and then show support)

 

4. Any one of a variety of game forces

 

For example, if you look at board 25

 

Paul opened a very light 1♦

Michael relayed with 1♥

Paul responder 2♣ showing clubs

Michael broke relay and replied 2♠

 

I believe that the 2♠ is natural, showing Spades but also establishes a game force.

 

All in all, it wasn't a great showing by Oz One, though the bulk of the losses came from a pair of disastrous boards. The team lost 16 IMPS right off the bat when folks got a bit overactive with 5-5 pattern. They dropped another 12 on board 10 when who knows what happened. (I suspected that the complexity of the methods caused some problems here)

[mrdct]

There are further Oz-One vs Cayne BBO matches scheduled as follows:

 

Wed Jan 3 at 7:30pm New York (Thu Jan 4 at 11:30am Sydney);

Wed Jan 10 at 7:30pm New York (Thu Jan 11 at 11:30am Sydney).

 

The LIN files, including the LIN files of the replay matches involving the OzOne players who didn't against Cayne, are available from www.oz-one.com.au.