Pairing Pairs

[csdenmark]

Occasionally I am offered a pair for opps. I think I once over 4-5 years have been able to accept.

 

I think we all are annoyed about random partnerships, no matter it is as for ourselves or for opps. Too many misunderstandings arises from that.

 

There are other requirements for pairing pairs than pairing individuals. But the intensions are just the same.

 

Once there were organized team tournaments where individuals tested new partnerships. As the community has atomized this seems no longer possible or perhaps the organizers have been tired. To accept pairs are of course not so complicated but much unstructured messaging is needed and mostly in languages players are not so very good at.

 

I think a pair desk would be a good solution. I also think it will be rather simple to implement. I assume a 'php' web-site will be able to do the trick. There will need to be a visible link to such a site from Lobby.

[barmar]

I'm having a hard time understanding your post. Are you saying that when you host a table, you'd like to be able to say that the opposing seats should only be filled by an established partnership, rather than individuals each asking to sit?

[mycroft]

I don't know about CSD, but I know I have wanted for a long time to be able to:

 

1) present myself to a fill-in table as a pair;

2) have some way to require opponents to be paired.

 

Michael.

[bid_em_up]

I'm having a hard time understanding your post.  Are you saying that when you host a table, you'd like to be able to say that the opposing seats should only be filled by an established partnership, rather than individuals each asking to sit?

Yea, thats what I think he's saying, anyway. Or something along the lines of having a partnership desk in the MBC where established pairs could register themselves for other established pairs to be able to issue invitations to them. Not necessarily a bad idea....

[csdenmark]

I'm having a hard time understanding your post.  Are you saying that when you host a table, you'd like to be able to say that the opposing seats should only be filled by an established partnership, rather than individuals each asking to sit?

I am not asking for something very specific. Once because I am not sure of the best way, second because I want an exchange of views on this topic and third because I know Fred want the freedom to come up with solutions often with something extra.

 

But it is more difficult to handle pairs than individuals. It is therefore we have all those random partnerships. I think very few of those evolve into partnerships leaving this table.

 

Therefore it is difficult to find a pair at exact the time I want a pair. So some kind of pair partnership desk, similar to that what BBO Poland sat up as they ran team tournaments. Thats for establishing new pairs.

 

But also a schedule desk to make arrangements. I think of table for Masters Club but could of course be a team tournament as well.

 

Any other proposals with the aim of building on pairs instead of only individuals?

Building on pairs I think will be needed to for all to see the benefits of their system and the benefits of creating a convention card for that.

[barmar]

Maybe you could contact the owner of partnershipdesk.com and see if he's interested in implementing something like this. Right now he just supports finding partners or teammates for f2f games, but there isn't really much difference between finding teammates and finding opponents.

[bigmax]

I tthink that ability to joim table as a partnership or REQUEST your opps to be regular partnership is very important.

 

My sugestions of implimentation:

1. Create a button " reguest partnership with" - similar to joining tourneys.

2. At serve a table menu have an options- "requare opps to be registered pair" and show tables with this option at tables list with some symbol.

3. As one of registered pair join table - partner joins too

 

It should not be too difficult to implement - any opinions?

[csdenmark]

Maybe you could contact the owner of partnershipdesk.com and see if he's interested in implementing something like this. Right now he just supports finding partners or teammates for f2f games, but there isn't really much difference between finding teammates and finding opponents.

I signed up at partnershipdesk.com trying to find out what is was and how it is working. But looks I cannot come very near to the point as I am no member of ACBL and that info looks necessary.

[barmar]

That makes sense, since the only events he's performing pairing for are ACBL clubs and tournaments.

 

I'm sure if you write to him he can set up a demo for you.

[csdenmark]

I tthink that ability to joim table as a partnership or REQUEST your opps to be regular partnership is very important.

 

My sugestions of implimentation:

1. Create a button " reguest partnership with" - similar to joining tourneys.

2. At serve a table menu have an options- "requare opps to be registered pair" and show tables with this option at tables list with some symbol.

3. As one of registered pair join table - partner joins too

 

It should not be too difficult to implement - any opinions?

With respect I may misunderstand you.

 

The problem is I am online and my partner is online. We look for a partnership. Lets say 1 of a partnership is online and he has an agreement with his partner to come in 15 minutes. Well my partner will not wait for that. This means we are 3 persons now and 3 persons in 15 minutes. - But not the same 3 persons and never 4 persons as we need to be.

[bigmax]

Sorry for not making myself clear.

 

1. Both players A and B must be online to register as partnership.

2. If table host chooses option that requares opps to be registered pair and A tries to join the message will be " A and B want to join table"

 

This way you get game against regular partners.

[csdenmark]

Sorry for not making myself clear.

 

1. Both players A and B must be online to register as partnership.

2. If table host  chooses option that requares opps to be registered pair and A tries to join the message will be " A and B want to join table"

 

This way you get game against regular partners.

As I understand you now is that 2 pairs online at the same time. They are in contact with each and then they agree to play for 2 hours. Perfect.

 

Thats is rarely possible. When I am asked for a pair to join my table I often have only one seat free and when I have 2 seats free I am never asked by a pair. I want a pair but I need to accept what I am offered and that is 2 individuals. I think most table hosts try to accept 4th player to be of either same playing strenght or from same nation as the one who is already there. Simply trying to emulate a partnership.

 

Referring to my example from above. As we will not be able to make a game today we will look forward for other o0ptions. I intend to ask my partner: 'Maybe we can find a partnership on the desk who want a game tomorrow.' Are anybody asking for a 2 hours game tomorrow evening where my partner will be available.

 

There have earlier been wishes for something about arrangement for team matches. As I see it such is very much the same as the topic I put up here with the exception that it is in fact more complicated as at least 8 persons are needed. But I think it is the same structure to be used for a possible solution.

[bigmax]

[As I understand you now is that 2 pairs online at the same time. They are in contact with each and then they agree to play for 2 hours. Perfect.

 

Thats is rarely possible. When I am asked for a pair to join my table I often have only one seat free and when I have 2 seats free I am never asked by a pair. I

OK, I misunderstood your original post.

 

My post is about a way for regular partners who happen to log in at the same time ti have a game against other regular ( but random ) partnership.