Fluffy Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=s109875h9dakj764c5]133|100|Scoring: IMP S - W - N - Eps-4♥-ps-ps??[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Either double or 4♠, depending on what kind of hands my failure to preempt denied. There was a similar problem in the Dutch IMP magazine of December. A lot of panelists argued that 4♠ shows this hand. Based on the idea that they would always preempt with long spades. Double would, accordingly, show 4045/4054, or maybe four spades and seven diamonds. I think I agree with that. Some (including Sabine Auken) prefered double since 4♠ could be something like xxxxxxx-AxxxAxx If we play Muiderberg I agree with this since the hand shown could have opened 2♠ or at least it's close (in practice, it was opened 2♠ at one table where they played Polish two-openings while passed at the other table where they played standard). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Hi, I am tempted to bid, but having looked at the vulnerability, i.e. being red vs. green, I pass. If I bid, I bid 4S. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Luckily I am a passed hand and can bid 4S happily.Now, the real question is what to do when I'm doubled... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 4S. 5D if doubled! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 2♥ WTP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Double, don't see a reason to bid a poor 5 card suit when I have a great 6 card suit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 I'd pass at these colors, perhaps I am getting too old since common theory is to always bid 4S over 4H whenever reasonable. Sometimes I'm going to lose a double game swing which is scary, but it seems like I have decent defense and we might well beat them when we can't make anything. Or we might just go for a telephone number by bidding at red/white and we're going to have to guess what to do when Xed, but even if we run it's not going to be pretty. -1100 is as real a possibility as a double game swing. It seems to me like there is a lot of risk in both passing and bidding, but my gut says passing has a higher expected value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 I'd pass at these colors, perhaps I am getting too old... Sucks to be 20 doesn't it? :blink: I'd pass too. Of course I don't pass as dealer :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Why did I pass as dealer? Now I have to pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 I dunno why you passed as dealer, maybe you were thinking about your sandwich. The real fact is you did hehe. I already know Ron will run to 5♦ if doubled, and it was doubled, others will stay or run? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Stay. I don't think I can have a pure spade hand for this action, so I'll hope partner pulls when it's right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Hi everyone pclayton What do you bid as dealer since you would not have passed? bearmum WTP? 2H might be ruled to be an insufficient bid after that 4H call. Jlall I try to follow my gut feeling. Would changing the colors 'change' your call? What makes you want to overcall 1M with hands that other players bid 2M(weak jump overcall) on? Regards, Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Jlall I try to follow my gut feeling. Would changing the colors 'change' your call? What makes you want to overcall 1M with hands that other players bid 2M(weak jump overcall) on? Regards, Robert Yes, if I were white/red I would bid. I don't really understand your second question here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Hi everyone pclayton What do you bid as dealer since you would not have passed? bearmum WTP? 2H might be ruled to be an insufficient bid after that 4H call. Jlall I try to follow my gut feeling. Would changing the colors 'change' your call? What makes you want to overcall 1M with hands that other players bid 2M(weak jump overcall) on? Regards, Robert In one of my regular partnerships, all preempts are based on LTC. This is a 5 1/2 loser hand. Red on white we would open it 3♦. At green its a 4♦ opener. At equal its a tweener. It doesn't make taking the push to 4♠ any easier of course. At other colors, say white / red, I can see a high level ♦ preempt followed by a 4♠ call. (Good to see this isn't the BI section :) I hate to offend people) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 LTC is based on a known fit. The books on LTC recommend you do not use it to determine opening prempts. Many do though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 4♠ has an advantage to which no one seems to have made a direct reference as yet.... perhaps because the validity of the point depends on inferences based on opening philosophies. There is a large school of thought that would argue that balancing 4♠ guarantees a 2-suiter: with the minor being as good as or better than the ♠ suit. After all, one is not going to be balancing 4♠ on a hand that is 5332 or the like, nor on a 6 card suit that was too weak to open 2♠. This school would require a pass on a 6=1=3=3 with weak ♠s for example, but that seems a fair price to pay for the assurance that partner with, say, 2=2=(54) can pull to 4N over 4♠. If I were in that sort of partnership, I'd be far more inclined to balance. Otherwise, colour me yellow, and I pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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