jillybean Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 [hv=v=n&s=sxxxxhajxxdaqxxcx]133|100|[/hv] Do you open this... 1st position ? 2nd position ? tyiajb What I hate about survivor tournaments is knowing you are going to be chopped but having to wait x minutes for the round to end :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 Beaner, I open this hand. Both majors, values, best to get in there and tell pard where you're at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 what does anyone think of opening this 1NT ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zasanya Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 When one decides to bid one must have a a reasonable rebid on most awkward response by Partner.Here I would bid 1♦ and after the 2♣ response bid 2♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csdenmark Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 A perfect hand for strong pass systems, especially Regres! 1♣ = 8-12HcP, Any hand with shortness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 Yes I do, but there's many that wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 For me it would depend on whether all those xxxx were 234's or 8910's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 I would open 1D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 For me it would depend on whether all those xxxx were 234's or 8910's. We agree..since things can be quite uncomfortable if the response is 2♣..I'd want a couple 10's and 9's here to round things out and minimize the chance of a double disaster if we run into a 4-1 split in game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jikl Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 From memory, these are your 9s and 10s: [hv=s=s10xxxhaj9xdaqxxcx]133|100|[/hv] And yes, the reply was 2♣ :) Sean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 I would open Katherine, but you have to choose your opening bid carefully to avoid rebid problems. Playing a 4 card M system open 1H and rebid 2D. Playing a 5 card M system either pass or open 1D and rebid 2D - not ideal, but there it is....NO! DON'T open this 1NT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 From memory, these are your 9s and 10s: Dealer: ????? Vul: ???? Scoring: Unknown ♠ 10xxx ♥ AJ9x ♦ AQxx ♣ x And yes, the reply was 2♣ :) SeanClose, but for me if it is close I tend to pass - an opening hand would look like this in my book: 1097xAJ10xAQ98x Then, if I did get trapped by the 2C bid, I'd rebid 2N as least of evils. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 A perfect hand for strong pass systems, especially Regres! 1♣ = 8-12HcP, Any hand with shortnessWhat a totally worthless comment for the BIL forum! To answer your question JB, I am happy to open 1♦ or to pass. I would probably open 1♦ so I can raise partner's 1M response to 2 and would bid 2♦ over 2♣. What tips the scales for me is that a diamond lead would be welcomed if we get outgunned in the auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted November 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 [hv=d=e&v=n&n=saj9hqtd873cqj985&s=st743haj93daq96c4]133|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South - - Pass 1♦ Pass 2♣ Pass 2♦ Pass Pass Pass I did open, holding both 4card majors passing didnt cross my mind, hoping to play in a major or 1nt - whats this 2♣! I rebid 2♦ not wanting to encourage any more bidding. 2♦ made, but so did 3nt. jb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 I would open. Rather than get bent out defening the choice, I just defer to ZAR 26 zar points, with spades you only "need 25". I alos like 4441 distributions. I open 1!D. The hand your partner had is not worth a 2!C bid, I think a simple 1NT (balanced hand, around 10 hcp, no four card major) is just about right, and should end the auction. A second point, even if 2♣ is not game force, I think it does promise a second bid if game is not reached, ... and it is my believe the second bid can not be a pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 Hi everyone Playing standard methods, this is not nearly an opening bid in my style. Pass and double for takeout 'if' the other side bids clubs. If partner opens, bid your suits 'up the line.' Doesn't rebidding diamonds supposed to show 5/6 diamonds in standard methods? If these two hands make 3NT. A lot of good things happened. Picture the result when a couple of hooks are 'offsides.' You really do not want to bid these kinds of hand to 3NT(except when you are vul. at IMPs.) Has North seen you open an 11HCP hand before and rebid your 4 card diamond suit? I do not understand the pass of 2Ds 'if' the hand was worthy of a 2C reply. Regards, Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 The hand your partner had is not worth a 2!C bid, I think a simple 1NT (balanced hand, around 10 hcp, no four card major) is just about right, and should end the auction. A second point, even if 2♣ is not game force, I think it does promise a second bid if game is not reached, ... and it is my believe the second bid can not be a pass. Completely agree (almost always) what Ben says here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 3-suiters are always a bit of a headache to describe (in most systems, and it's OK as they are like ~4% if i recall well). Given the awkwardness the (most probable) 2♣ response leads me to pass. I think pass would be my bid even with the Jack of spades. with 13 nice points we have to open and 1d and 2d are the (partly inelegant) bids. After 2d if pd bids a 4c M I have to raise and they'll think I'm 5-4. Sigh. edit: on a sidenote, your p is certainly not worth his 2c bid. Doubleton queens are NOT what will give us tricks or anything. His hand is just ugly, let alone the fact that it's anemic in HCP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 No. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Dodgy Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 I'm in the Pass camp - barely. I use Zars but I want 27. Yeah we have ♠s but barely. 4441s look nice but are often troublesome, especially to bid; there's rarely a bid that's quite right unless you play funny systems. 1 more Ten and I'm in. There's a good chance I may have something to say later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 I agree with opening with such prime values. And 1NT is not an option, 1♦ is correct. The right rebid however is 2NT. Partner will pass that and you will get 150 instead of 90. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianshark Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 Clear pass for me. We're not making game unless p has an opening hand, and this hand is much easier to respond with than open. I won't open light unless I have a 5 card suit, and a rebiddable suit opposite any response. And rebidding ♦ on a FOUR card suit is not my cup of tea. As people have said though, with more texture in the suits, it might be worth upgrading to a 2NT rebid in which case opening is ok. Though I'll still probably pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 Obvious 1♦ opener for me, any seat. Easy rebid if pard bids a major, and preempts opps out of their most likely fit, clubs. The only thing that can go wrong is PARD bidding 2♣ (as he did), but then you still have the contingency solution of 2♦ (which you used). All in all, I think bidding was pretty good, although I might have chosen 1NT instead of 2♣on pard's hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 If your agreement includes openings like that, your partner does not have a 2♣ response. My agreements would include that hand, and partners hand would be a 1NT rebid. Leading to 1NT+2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeeGee Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 Pass for me, I hate 4441 hands, and would pass with 12 or 13 pts, unless very good 10s around. Don't like your P's 2C bid, but as an Acol player, I'd have a dilemma how to respond. Geoff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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