2 hands

[jillybean]

Hi,

First one what do you do after partner overcalls 2♣, my ♥'s arent good enough to bid but I think I should be doing something with 10 nice points, a simple raise to 3♣?

 

 

Dealer: West Vul: EW Scoring: IMP ♠ 64 ♥ A8652 ♦ KQJT ♣ 82

 

West North East South

 

 1♠    2♣    Pass  ?

 

 

 

Hand#2 opposite partner who opens 2♠.... I bid

4♠

 

Dealer: West Vul: None Scoring: IMP ♠ A ♥ Q7 ♦ AQT9 ♣ KQ8765

 

West North East South

 

 Pass  2♠    Pass  ?

  

 

tyia

jb

[sceptic]

hand 1/. 2 hearts I think you need to describe your hand

 

hand 2/. 4 spades 6/1 fit and a very nice singleton trump

[pbleighton]

1. 2H (pass isn't bad, but this is IMPs after all).

 

2. 2NT, feature ask. If I hear 3H, I bid 3NT, otherwise 4S.

I can understand a direct 4S on this hand.

 

Peter

[sceptic]

2NT, feature ask. If I hear 3H, I bid 3NT, otherwise 4S.

 

I diid think of this but I have yet to come across anyone that plays ougust or is prepared to discuss it on BBO especially pickups :)

[whereagles]

Dealer: West Vul: EW Scoring: IMP ♠ 64 ♥ A8652 ♦ KQJT ♣ 82

 

West North East South

 

1♠ 2♣ Pass ?

 

> Bid 2♥. By an unpassed hand, this should be forcing, showing inv+ strength. You're ok no matter what pard bids, and intend to pass a 3♣ rebid.

 

 

Dealer: West Vul: None Scoring: IMP ♠ A ♥ Q7 ♦ AQT9 ♣ KQ8765

 

West North East South

 

Pass 2♠ Pass ?

 

> pass and dbl opps at 3 level :)

[jocdelevat]

For hand #2 I use rule 17 which says add the number of trupms to the hcp and if is it 17 or higher bid game. In your case is one spade +17 hcp=18 so 4s it is. It works most of the times.

[jillybean]

Im surprised at the unanimous decision to bid 2♥, Ive found introducing new suits after a simple overcall has had poor results.

 

Hand2 - 2nt is not ogust here?

If 2nt feature ask is asking for A,K,singleton, void would you really bid 3nt after hearing 3♥?

[pbleighton]

"I diid think of this but I have yet to come across anyone that plays ougust or is prepared to discuss it on BBO especially pickups"

 

This isn't ogust, it is feature-ask.

 

And yes, jb, I would bid 3NT if pd had the heart A or K. If I wouldn't, I would bid 4S directly, which as I said was a reasonable option.

 

Peter

[jillybean]

Peter,

is 2nt feature ask only asking about A,K - not singleton, void?

 

What is a feature?

[Walddk]

Peter,

is 2nt feature ask only asking about A,K - not singleton, void?

 

What is a feature?

A feature is a an ace or king (even a queen) that may be of particular importance in a given hand - for example after a weak 2 and a 2NT enquiry.

 

Responder, if interested in at least game, has 3 options when he decides to bid 2NT:

 

1. Ogust, asking for suit quality and strength within the range.

2. Feature asking.

3. Shortage asking.

 

It's up to the partnership to discuss which is your preferred method. You must choose; you can't play all of it at the same time. I have tried them all and I don't have preference for either. As always, it depends on the hand you are dealt.

 

Roland

[jillybean]

A feature is a an ace or king (even a queen) that may be of particular imporantance in a given hand - for example after a weak 2 and a 2NT enquiry.

Ah, this explains a lot - I have been including singletons and voids as 'features' :)

[inquiry]

The first hand is a problem if you are not playing something like transfer advances (the version Hannie introduced me to --called switch -- is similiar to what Misho I played), but that is certainly not anything to discusses in this thread. None of your options here are very attractive. You are too good to pass, your heart suit is too anemic to bid, you club support while probably adequate (partner rates to have six) buries the heart suit and over=emphasis your club holding.

 

I would not object if my partner choose any of pass, 2H or 3C. I would probably be swayed by the fact that I am NOT VUL at imps and pass. Being not vul, partner is more likely to make a light overcall, being not vulnerable it is less horrible to miss game. OF course in real life, I would bid 2D showing hearts and from negative free bid values up. Then if partner made a weak sounding response, play 2H (if he bids it) or 3C. You have run into one of the major hand types for why methods like SWITCH was created.

 

On hand two, it depends a lot on your 2♠ preempting style. The first question is if your partner had something like S-KQJxxx H-Ax D-xxx C-xx would he open 2♠ or 1♠?My partners are encourage to open this 1♠ (other than in 2nd seat) and in fact, even change the heart ACE for a king, same thing (or diamond king or club ace) and I encourage them to do the same. And if your partner isn't that strong, what are you hoping for? A singleton heart? A singleton diamond? If partner is kqjxxx of spades and diamond king, you can make 4S and if he his KQxxxx and diamond king, can make if spades are 3-2 AND partner has doubleton heart as well (else they force dummy to ruff third round) But partner can easily be KJxxxxx with diamond King and you lose 1S, 2H and 1C, or some similar hand.

 

Your hand is strong enough to try for game if you have some way to ask if he has good suit and good hand (ougust), otherwise it is a guess. In general a raise of 2S to 3S is played as preemptive, so over 2S, you can a.) blast game, a huge overbid, b.) bid 2NT to invite game. If you play this as feature ask, a 3D, 3C, or 3H bid would be nice, but does not solve the quality issue of 2♠. But if your 2♠ bid promised two of the top 3 honors, and if your partner doesn't have a tendency to open 2♠ on five card suits when not vul (if he does PASSSSSS), and if he will show a feature over 2NT, by all means bid 2NT.

 

Then finally there is the issue of a second seat weak two versus a first seat or third seat weak two. I know most people sort of ignore this issue, but my second seat weak two's are more "book standard", so you can count on me having the KQ of spades or perhaps KJT9xx. And I will be closer to opening hand, so I rate to have a top card in hearts, diamonds, or clubs as well. So with me, you can expect a pretty good hand. If your partners play this way as well, bid 2NT feature ask and if he show one, bid the game.

[bid_em_up]

A feature is a an ace or king (even a queen) that may be of particular imporantance in a given hand - for example after a weak 2 and a 2NT enquiry.

Ah, this explains a lot - I have been including singletons and voids as 'features' :)

Feature ask is meant to be used to determine if the weak 2 bidder has an outside entry to their hand for NT play, in case a trick must be lost in their suit. Therefore, its an Ace, or a King, possibly a queen (but most players that I am aware of do not show a queen as a feature).

 

Voids and singletons are useless in NT, so you dont show them. :)

[HeartA]

Hand #1, 2H. Yes, you would like to tell your pd you have 5-4 red suits. There is not a single bid to tell pd of that. After all, heart is major and you have 5 of them.

 

Hand #2, 3C, what's the problem? I don't agree with 2NT, which usually implies support for pd's suit (2+).