opinions please

[sceptic]

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West North East South

 

 -     -     Pass  Pass

 Pass  1♣    Pass  1♠

 2♦    Dbl   Pass  3♣

 Pass  Pass  3♦    3♥

 Pass  3♠    Pass  Pass

 Pass  

 

Ok here I am south

 

Can I have opinions for what went wrong here please, my 3heart bid was asking for a !D stop (I hope)

 

I also think it shows or implies 5 spades

 

Should I have just passed 3 diamonds

 

how would you bid this

 

can you make 3 spades in the play also

[barmar]

I think the problem was your 3♣ bid. It doesn't show extra values, just good ♣ support. Also, you've already denied 5 ♠, since you would have bid 2♠ instead if you had a known 8-card fit.

 

To get to 3NT if partner has a ♦ stopper, bid 3♦, a Western Cue Bid.

[HeartA]

I assume North's dbl over 2D was supportive dbl (exact 3 spades). South's 3C was a little bid too weak but OK (3D was a little too strong IMO). Anyway, I think North's 3S was the worst bid. South's 3C denied 5 spades, 4 hearts and promises at least 4 clubs. North's bid over 3H would be 3N or 4C.

[whereagles]

Prefer 3♦ to 3♣, but pard's 3♠ was redundant and wrong as well. Still, you should take 3♠ out to 4♣. Especially with those weakish spades.

[Thymallus]

Why not open with 1♣ as south? 11 points 4315 shape so an easy spade rebid at the one level despite only 11 points. I imagine p would have responded 2 or 3 NT.

 

John

[sceptic]

because I am trying to tidy up my 1 level openers

[dank]

South made a non-forcing 3♣ bid which actually got passed out, and then when he luckily got another call, tried to force with 3♥. This is inconsistent, and good bidders try to avoid these sequences at all costs.

 

Having said that, South cannot pass 3♠. He knows the trump suit is not playable, looking at T9xx opposite only 3 card support. South should retreat to 4C which is at least playable. As for getting to 3NT, it seems you were planning to get there if partner has a diamond stop, and maybe meant 3♣ as forcing?

 

How about this auction, which is much less ambiguous:

 

1C-P-1S-(2D)-X-3D-P-3NT-P-P-P. This is essentially the same as your auction, except it is unambiguous. If partner bids 3-major over your 3D ask, you can retreat to 4C which he can pass, although you might consider trying 5C anyway if he has no diamond wastage.

[neilkaz]

I think South should bite the bullet and force game with 3♦ rather than 3♣ here. This is especially true if he plans on bidding after the opp's 3♦ since it now is inconsistant to bid 3♥ hoping for a stop for 3NT since 3♦ would be most likely asking for a stop on the prior round of bidding.

 

So I suspect North while he may have been confused by 3♥ perhaps felt it was some kind of game try (although not consistant with the 3♣ bid, IMHO) Anyhow,

North has a minimum and kept the bidding low with 3♠. Perhaps 4♣ by N is better or he can somehow guess to bid 3NT, but in any event, the 3S contract should be seen as unplayable in your eyes with a 4-3 fit and your weak suit so I'd pull 3♠ to 4♣.

 

.. neilkaz ..

[HeartA]

I didn't pay attention to that South passed. In that case, South should bid 3D instead of 3C.

[kenberg]

It appears to me that the 3H bid has some merit that apparently was unintended. At the time E bids 3D I think nothing has happened to preclude N from being 3-4-2-4 or 3-4-3-3. If S doesn't want to sell to 3D he can bid 3H, passable since 3C was passable. If opener has Axxx of hearts and one of the above shapes, this might be a fine place to play: Strong trumps, ruff taken in the hand with short trumps. The bid cannot be taken as showing four since with four hearts S must have five spades for his 1S bid, and then would not have bid 3C. Playing 3H here as passable may sound strange but I think it is logical. Since, on the actual hand, opener has two more clubs than he has shown and zero more spades than he has shown, it seems 4C might be a better choice than 3S.

 

I don't fault either party all that much for missing 3NT. S could bid 3D instead of 3C, right on this hand but pushy. It seems to me, however, over 3H N might figure 3N is as likely to make as 3S, and pays better. So as N I think I bid either 4C or 3N, not 3S, over 3H.