ArcLight Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 How many hearts is responder showing with the 3H bid?1D - 2C2H - 3H (Note: with a GF hand with 5 clubs and 4 hearts we respond 2C, not 1H) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 44 wtp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 I'd say four, but it depends a little on how you play responder's 2♠ rebid here. My strong preference is that 2♠ is "fourth-suit forcing" showing a hand with no clear direction. In this case there's no reason to ever bid 3♥ on only three cards; you always have some other call available. If you prefer to play 2♠ as "natural" then you are left with hands such as 3325 patterns with weak spades, where you can't bid 2♠ (which promises a suit) or 2NT (which promises a stopper) and are effectively "endplayed" into raising hearts (say xxx AQx xx AKxxx). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 How many hearts is responder showing with the 3H bid?1D - 2C2H - 3H (Note: with a GF hand with 5 clubs and 4 hearts we respond 2C, not 1H) 4 hearts. He was planning a reverse. Now 3H is game forcing. Opener's any bid except 4H shows extra value and interest in slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 The system given is 2/1 so 2♣ should be GF (unless playing 2C then 3C as long clubs..personally I play 2C as GF and jump shift to 3C with long clubs not good enuf to GF) 3♥ simply guarantees 4 card support in any normal 2/1 system since opener almost surely has only 4 cards in ♥, noting that you specified that you respond 2C when holding 4♥ and 5♣ and GF, just as I do. I also don't play that 2♥ in this GF sequence shows extra strength. There are many varients of 2/1 GF response systems and certainly my preferred styles are far from the last word and many experts do other things. After 3♥ opener can just bid 4♥ with a min, or Q bid or use Serious 3NT with slam interest. .. neilkaz .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 How many hearts is responder showing with the 3H bid?1D - 2C2H - 3H (Note: with a GF hand with 5 clubs and 4 hearts we respond 2C, not 1H) Only 4 but at least 4....also at least a mild slam try......assuming fast arriv. Opener can still have some junky 11 hcp hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 It promises 4. It does not confirm or deny extra values, but promises some sort of control in ♦ or ♠ . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Rule 1: don't make promises at the bridge table.Rule 2: if you think partner's bid promises something, see rule 1.Rule 3: if you think opponent's bid promises something, you're dreaming. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Rule 1: don't make promises at the bridge table.Rule 2: if you think partner's bid promises something, see rule 1.Rule 3: if you think opponent's bid promises something, you're dreaming. :-) With this mindset, you should never play bridge or even come to this forum. You better go playing lotery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Rule 1: don't make promises at the bridge table.Rule 2: if you think partner's bid promises something, see rule 1.Rule 3: if you think opponent's bid promises something, you're dreaming. :-) With this mindset, you should never play bridge or even come to this forum. You better go playing lotery Maybe you should read the post once more and then remove your foot from your mouth :huh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnszsun Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 The continuing of 1♦-2♣ is much more complex than it seems.Did opener's 2♥ show 4♥, or can be 3?What should opener rebid with balanced hand like 4=4=3=2 or 3=4=4=2, NT or major?Will opener's NT rebid promise both unbid majors stopped or did opener's new suit bid promise unbalanced hand?What will opener bid with 4=4=4=1, how to find 4-4 major fit if responder has 4♠s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dank Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 The easiest way to deal with this problem is to play 1♦-3♣ as natural and invitational, which makes 1♦-2♣ game forcing. Then, all your rebids are just natural. But either way, 1♦-2♣-2♥ shows 4+ hearts, 5+ diamonds, and extra values for me, and a raise here to 3♥ absolutely guarantees 4 trumps. It says nothing about fast arrival, the only time i would jump to 4♥ over 2♥ is with a hand like ♠xx♥KQxx♦xx♣AQJxx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strangway Posted November 20, 2006 Report Share Posted November 20, 2006 Good point right out of Hardy's 2/1 book suggesting 1d/3c is invitational and 1d/2c is gameforcing. But also in Hardy's book aren't reverses off in a gameforcing 2/1 sequence and just show pattern? Presumably over the 3H bid (yes it shows 4+), whether the 2H bid showed extras or not, 3nt is available as "serious". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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