mike777 Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 It seems the older I get the less I know about all of the issues and judges, bonds, etc on the ballot. Did not have this problem back in Chicago where we just voted for Daley as King and he ran the city. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Mike, where's that blue wave they were hyping up in the media? All I see is a very calm ripple instead. :D <hoping that Allen hangs on in VA> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted November 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Mike, where's that blue wave they were hyping up in the media? All I see is a very calm ripple instead. :D <hoping that Allen hangs on in VA> Seems like a blue tidal wave at this point close but yes.... With that said I liked Ford and Steele......but hard for a black man to win. In my old home state a black man may run for president again......no one knows what he is so we will all project :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Looks like Steele might lose, and frankly he and Santorum ran 2 great campaigns. Allen as of 10.13pm is barely hanging on: G F Allen Republican 1,052,606 49.86% J H Webb Jr Democratic 1,033,221 48.94% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Looks like Talent (MO) and Corker (TN) will win; the GOP will hold the Senate in a squeaker. According to my notes, so far, the GOP has lost 3 seats in the Senate and in the House. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted November 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 ya sanoturom says it all..he loses big..and yet he is very typical good republican.I hope steele runs again..but tough in such huge dem state. I liked ford....he was republican yes? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted November 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Looks like Talent (MO) and Corker (TN) will win; the GOP will hold the Senate in a squeaker. According to my notes, so far, the GOP has lost 3 seats in the Senate and in the Hourse. Well the rep do not deserve to win anything but.....I guess we think the Dems will be worse? Maybe not...hard to mess up this bad..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 I think he was. (correction, Ford was Dem). I'd be interested to see how the House sets up now that the Central Time Zone's done with the balloting. Even if the GOP loses the House, a split Congress may not be necessarily a bad thing. Santorum deserves much credit for staying true to himself. The Commonwealth of Pennsylvannia will sorely miss him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 I'll be brutal about it - there isn't many good alternatives right now with either major party. I do tho think a split Congress would curb any excess that either party would want to afflict (the Dems already have stated that they want impeachment hearings; the GOP wants to throw more money into the war). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted November 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 I think the rep want to throw billions in pork.....Dem object as too little :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 I like bacon tho...extra crispy please. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Would tonight be considered "Shock and Awe"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Tonight instead of the blue wave, I term it "a divided country, part 3". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Mike, where's that blue wave they were hyping up in the media? All I see is a very calm ripple instead. :) What would look like a wave to you? The Democratic Party has taken control of the House. The have picked up a minimum of four seats in the Senate. The last two seats are too close to call, however, there is a very real chance that the Republicans are going to lose in both Virginia and Montana. (As of 2:00 AM, Allen was down by 8,000 seats in Virginia. Tester is ahead by 2,000 votes in Montana) This isn't the victory that I dreamed of. Lieberman winning re-election really soured the night for me. More significant, I'm have mixed feelings whether a pro-life, anti-gay rights "Democrat" is really all that much of an improvement over a moderate Republican. From what I can tell, this election boiled down to over-sight on the White House rather than any real political realignment. However, I consider that over-sight absolutely essential. Also, capturing the Governorship in Ohio is going to be very significant for the 2008 election cycle. Finally, I hope that the extremely poor showing by the electronic voting machines demonstrates that a we need to invest some significant resources in overhauling this part of our electoral system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Looks like Steele might lose, and frankly he and Santorum ran 2 great campaigns. In what way, shape, or form did good old Senator "Man on Dog" run a great campaign? He was down in the polls between 5 and 15 points through the entire election. He has some of the lowest approval ratings of anyone in Senate. (This means that people don't like his policies) Many of his speaches were down right deranged He LOST the election by 20 points... I certainly agree that he spent a lot of money - he spent 25 million dollars compared to Casey's 15. However, he sure didn't provide a compelling message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 I guess this means we won't be running any more threads on voting machine malfunctions? :lol: Good job dems, time to put up or shut up. And four more for the new improved Arnold in CA :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhare Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 This isn't the victory that I dreamed of. Lieberman winning re-election really soured the night for me. More significant, I'm have mixed feelings whether a pro-life, anti-gay rights "Democrat" is really all that much of an improvement over a moderate Republican. I concur -- Lieberman was a dampner for me as was Ford's loss. I agree w/ you on principle regarding social issues but I think that the Dems took a practical stance. For instance, it would have been almost impossible to unseat Santorum (good riddance) without assuming a conservative stance on those issues. Now, as long as they don't enact any legislation based on those obnoxious personal views, I couldn't care less what they say they believe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 I guess this means we won't be running any more threads on voting machine malfunctions? :lol: Dunno about threads, but I find it hard to understand how the American public can accept electronic voting machines with a record for obscurity, technical glitches, and a lack of a paper trail. And why some consider it a threat to American democracy when a foreign company considers buying shares of a voting machine company, while they are not worried for the lack of transparency in the first place, that would enable such a company to rig elections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 In a very morbid way, I'm happy the GOP lost - we need to purge some folks from our party. We jettisoned the RINO's (Republicans in Name Only) resoundingly. Now it's time to get back to the core values and lose some of the arrogance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTodd13 Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 How many times are you going to hand control back and forth between these two groups of tyrants before you realize they are corrupted beyond redemption and only seek to maximize their power. Isn't the popular definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results? My suggestion is that you don't vote (unless you have a "none of the above" option) for anyone and that you tell everyone who will listen why you aren't voting and why they shouldn't vote either. Do everything you can to drive down the % of people who vote and sooner or later people will realize that the system is illegitimate. Then they will get rid of the fascists. Death to tyrants! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 This isn't the victory that I dreamed of. Lieberman winning re-election really soured the night for me. More significant, I'm have mixed feelings whether a pro-life, anti-gay rights "Democrat" is really all that much of an improvement over a moderate Republican. I concur -- Lieberman was a dampner for me as was Ford's loss. I agree w/ you on principle regarding social issues but I think that the Dems took a practical stance. For instance, it would have been almost impossible to unseat Santorum (good riddance) without assuming a conservative stance on those issues. Now, as long as they don't enact any legislation based on those obnoxious personal views, I couldn't care less what they say they believe... i found liberman to be a statesman of the old school, and would have gladly voted for him if he'd won the dem nomination in '04... as for the rest of richard's quote, i'd have to know what he means by "anti-gay rights"... as for the pro-life part, isn't the democrat tent large enough to hold those who don't march in lockstep? or is it just that pro life dems are accepted into the party, but not in an elected position? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 I found liberman to be a statesman of the old school, and would have gladly voted for him if he'd won the dem nomination in '04... as for the rest of richard's quote, i'd have to know what he means by "anti-gay rights"... I consider Harold Ford's position on equal rights for homosexuals reprehensible. Here's a direct quote from Ford: "I do not support the decision today reached by the New Jersey Supreme Court regarding gay marriage. I oppose gay marriage, and have voted twice in Congress to amend the United States Constitution to prohibit same-sex marriage. This November there's a referendum on the Tennessee ballot to ban same-sex marriage - I am voting for it." Note that Ford is attacking the New Jersey court decision. The New Jersey supreme court did not rule that the state must allow gay marriage, rather the core of its ruling was that homosexuals must be granted the same set of rights as anyone else. Hard to read this as anything other than opposing gay rights... Of course, Ford's position is positively enlightened compared to some of the anti-gay ballot initiatives that passed yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Mike, where's that blue wave they were hyping up in the media? All I see is a very calm ripple instead. :P What would look like a wave to you? The Democratic Party has taken control of the House. The have picked up a minimum of four seats in the Senate. The last two seats are too close to call, however, there is a very real chance that the Republicans are going to lose in both Virginia and Montana. (As of 2:00 AM, Allen was down by 8,000 seats in Virginia. Tester is ahead by 2,000 votes in Montana) Looks like the Democratic Party has taken the Senate as well... A "calm ripple" indeed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Blue wave no; blue tsunami, potentially yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted November 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 1) I agree I hated using those new voting machines last night. I heard many comments from older people who did not like them and missed the receipts. :P2) Some of the above posted comments that seem to say you want to win just for the power? You want Casey to run as prolife but then vote the opposite?3) I see Rummy is out today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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