Echognome Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 [hv=d=w&v=b&s=sthaqxxxdakxxcaxx]133|100|Scoring: XIMP1♠ - 2♥3♣ - 3♦4♣ - ?[/hv] Opponents are silent throughout. Partner opens 1♠ and the bidding proceeds as above. What is your call now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 5C is enough, in spite of the nice hand. It looks like we're stiff in each other's major suits. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 I assume 3♣ denies a dead minimum? I'd try 6♣; just bidding what I think I can make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted October 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 I assume 3♣ denies a dead minimum? I'd try 6♣; just bidding what I think I can make. We were playing Acol. So for all intents and purposes pretend it was SAYC. Then you can tell me how much 3♣ shows. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 4D rkc for clubs, not natural. :( I expect partner to have more than xxxxx in clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 "Then you can tell me how much 3♣ shows" I assume it shows 5-5, any strength. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 I would bid 4N keycard for clubs. 7 is in the picture... partner hasn't limited his hand yet and a leap to 6C might trap him. 3C was game forcing opposite potentially 10(9) points, so it certainly shows some extras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 "Then you can tell me how much 3♣ shows" I assume it shows 5-5, any strength. Peter Even if he has a dead miniminum, like KQxxx x xx KQxxx, slam has play. Since he can still have AKQxx x xx KQJxx, where 7 is good and he can't bid over 5♣, I think it is clear that 5♣ is an underbid. Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 If you were playing "Acol", 3C shows a better than minimum hand. This hand has huge potential, and I am not discounting a grand. 4NT KC in C at this stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 In SAYC 3♣ shows more than a min and is GF and 4♣ rather than trying for 3NT surely sures at least 5-5 and is slam oriented. The responding hand is therefore a monster and, to me, the only question is whether we play a small or grand slam so I ask for ket cards right now. If PD responds with both keys and the Q I'm asking for K's with 5NT to try for a grand. As usual when a minor suit is trumps, especially clubs, this hand shows why 4♦ Kickback is superior to 4NT RKC. Just my opinion .. neilkaz .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 4NT as RCK for clubs as well. But if pd does not understand 4NT, I would bid 6C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 I would bid 4D, cue bid for clubs. I have no desire to play it as RKCB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted October 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 I would bid 4D, cue bid for clubs. I have no desire to play it as RKCB. Is it clear that 4♦ agrees clubs? Or do you have to jump to 4♦ to show a massive red two-suiter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 even worse: are you sure 4NT here is RKCB for clubs??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 I would bid 4D, cue bid for clubs. I have no desire to play it as RKCB. Is it clear that 4♦ agrees clubs? Or do you have to jump to 4♦ to show a massive red two-suiter? Yes I am sure 4d must be rkc for clubs.I am glad everyone else knows 4nt is rkc for clubs and are not worried about confusion. I guess 4nt as natural is out.....and everyone is clear on that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 Well, I don't think so. 4NT might very well be natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 It is close between taking control via 4N (keycard) or cuebidding 4♦, intending to bid 5♥ over 4♠ and 6♣ over 5♣. I prefer the latter approach because I expect that partner will be better positioned to make the small/grand decision after the cuebid approach than I will be after a keycard ask. For those who like 4♦ as keycard, how do you bid with x QJxxx AKQx Axx? Do you want to play 6♣ opposite AKQJx xx x KQJxx? You might well make it, but do you want to be there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 I'm also in the 4♦ as Key Card for clubs school here. As for the possibility of losing two hearts when I have QJxxx, I discount that greatly when partner declines to make a delayed raise of hearts after 3♦. With AKQJx-xx-x-KQJxx, I'd expect 3♥, then 4♣ later if possible. Thus, 4♣ screams a heart stiff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 I would bid 4D, cue bid for clubs. I have no desire to play it as RKCB. Is it clear that 4♦ agrees clubs? Or do you have to jump to 4♦ to show a massive red two-suiter? Yes I am sure 4d must be rkc for clubs.I am glad everyone else knows 4nt is rkc for clubs and are not worried about confusion. I guess 4nt as natural is out.....and everyone is clear on that? I play 4NT as natural and discouraging here.But only with partners with whom I've discussed this type of auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 Two comments:- In Acol, 3♣ shows more (GF opposite 9+) than it would show in SAYC (GF opposite 11+)- 4NT should be to play IMHO. I just bid 6♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 Anything which shows interest in a ♣ slam now. I think grand has some chances, so why just settle for small? <_< Since it's crossimps I might even go for 6NT or 7NT to pick up some small extra's :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 4N to play doesnt make much sense to me. Why didn't I bid 3 or 4N the round before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 It is close between taking control via 4N (keycard) or cuebidding 4♦, intending to bid 5♥ over 4♠ and 6♣ over 5♣. I prefer the latter approach because I expect that partner will be better positioned to make the small/grand decision after the cuebid approach than I will be after a keycard ask. For those who like 4♦ as keycard, how do you bid with x QJxxx AKQx Axx? Do you want to play 6♣ opposite AKQJx xx x KQJxx? You might well make it, but do you want to be there? Yes, I bid 4d rkc and end up in 6clubs....not down yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 4N to play doesnt make much sense to me. Why didn't I bid 3 or 4N the round before? Agree with Justin. Why would I bid 3D (4th suit) if I want to play 3N? 4D as RCK? what if I want to show 6-5 or even 6-6 (or 7-6)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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