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I would bid 4N keycard for clubs. 7 is in the picture... partner hasn't limited his hand yet and a leap to 6C might trap him. 3C was game forcing opposite potentially 10(9) points, so it certainly shows some extras.
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"Then you can tell me how much 3♣ shows"

 

I assume it shows 5-5, any strength.

 

Peter

Even if he has a dead miniminum, like KQxxx x xx KQxxx, slam has play. Since he can still have AKQxx x xx KQJxx, where 7 is good and he can't bid over 5, I think it is clear that 5 is an underbid.

 

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In SAYC 3 shows more than a min and is GF and 4 rather than trying for 3NT surely sures at least 5-5 and is slam oriented. The responding hand is therefore a monster and, to me, the only question is whether we play a small or grand slam so I ask for ket cards right now. If PD responds with both keys and the Q I'm asking for K's with 5NT to try for a grand.

 

As usual when a minor suit is trumps, especially clubs, this hand shows why 4 Kickback is superior to 4NT RKC.

 

Just my opinion .. neilkaz ..

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I would bid 4D, cue bid for clubs.  I have no desire to play it as RKCB.

Is it clear that 4 agrees clubs? Or do you have to jump to 4 to show a massive red two-suiter?

Yes I am sure 4d must be rkc for clubs.

I am glad everyone else knows 4nt is rkc for clubs and are not worried about confusion.

 

I guess 4nt as natural is out.....and everyone is clear on that?

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It is close between taking control via 4N (keycard) or cuebidding 4, intending to bid 5 over 4 and 6 over 5.

 

I prefer the latter approach because I expect that partner will be better positioned to make the small/grand decision after the cuebid approach than I will be after a keycard ask.

 

For those who like 4 as keycard, how do you bid with x QJxxx AKQx Axx?

 

Do you want to play 6 opposite AKQJx xx x KQJxx? You might well make it, but do you want to be there?

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I'm also in the 4 as Key Card for clubs school here. As for the possibility of losing two hearts when I have QJxxx, I discount that greatly when partner declines to make a delayed raise of hearts after 3. With AKQJx-xx-x-KQJxx, I'd expect 3, then 4 later if possible. Thus, 4 screams a heart stiff.
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I would bid 4D, cue bid for clubs.  I have no desire to play it as RKCB.

Is it clear that 4 agrees clubs? Or do you have to jump to 4 to show a massive red two-suiter?

Yes I am sure 4d must be rkc for clubs.

I am glad everyone else knows 4nt is rkc for clubs and are not worried about confusion.

 

I guess 4nt as natural is out.....and everyone is clear on that?

I play 4NT as natural and discouraging here.

But only with partners with whom I've discussed this type of auction.

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It is close between taking control via 4N (keycard) or cuebidding 4, intending to bid 5 over 4 and 6 over 5.

 

I prefer the latter approach because I expect that partner will be better positioned to make the small/grand decision after the cuebid approach than I will be after a keycard ask.

 

For those who like 4 as keycard, how do you bid with x QJxxx AKQx Axx?

 

Do you want to play 6 opposite AKQJx xx x KQJxx? You might well make it, but do you want to be there?

Yes, I bid 4d rkc and end up in 6clubs....not down yet.

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